Speaker 1: It's office hours. With me, Chris. And we are back this week
Speaker 0: but, this time, I locked Brent out. He's here. But it's a six person office, but when more than two are in here, it just gets a little crowded. And I brought Wes in. It's a perfect episode for Wes. Hello, sir. Oh, hello. Nice to have you back into the office. We're gonna get into, some podcasting two zero zero tech that we're toying around with it. I think it's gonna be great to get your insights on. The raw the raw pain opinion.
Speaker 0: I locked Brent out. He's here.
Speaker 0: But it's a six person office,
Speaker 0: but when more than two are in here, it just gets a little crowded. And I brought Wes in. It's a perfect episode for Wes. Hello, sir. Oh, hello.
Speaker 0: Nice to have you back into the office. We're gonna get into,
Speaker 0: some podcasting two zero zero tech that we're toying around with it. I think it's gonna be great to get your insights on. The raw the raw pain opinion.
Speaker 2: Now, I do think I hear a Brent Klein at the door. We might have to do something about that. It's gonna get on the recording. Sounds just like his cats.
Speaker 0: You know, when they live together long enough, they kinda share the same mannerisms. So we did it. We reached our bounty, and there's yet another office hours. The big question is Can we do it again? And can I fix my value block? So we actually captured it all. We'll tell you more about that and more about the bounty in just a bit. But let's let's get into some podcasting news because we got bad news, and we got good news. And I think we should start with the bad stuff. This is the one that our chat rooms have been talking about all week. As we record right now, the code of radio chat rooms have been talking about this. I have this sent in to me by West, by Brent, by probably a dozen listeners out there. It's like we think you like podcasts or something. I don't know. You guys knew. You guys knew. This is my story. It's so frustrating. I was never a huge Google Podcast fan, but Google has announced they're shutting it down. And they're gonna migrate y'all to YouTube music Congratulations.
Speaker 0: share the same mannerisms.
Speaker 0: So we did it. We reached our bounty, and there's yet another office hours. The big question is
Speaker 0: Can we do it again? And can I fix my value block? So we actually captured it all. We'll tell you more about that and more about the bounty in just a bit. But let's let's get into some podcasting
Speaker 0: news because we got bad news, and we got good news. And I think we should start with the bad stuff. This is the one that our chat rooms have been talking about all week. As we record right now, the code of radio chat rooms have been talking about this. I have this sent in to me by West, by Brent,
Speaker 0: by probably a dozen listeners out there. It's like we think you like podcasts or something. I don't know. You guys knew. You guys knew. This is my story. It's so frustrating. I was never a huge Google Podcast fan, but Google has announced they're shutting it down.
Speaker 0: And they're gonna migrate y'all to YouTube music
Speaker 0: Congratulations.
Speaker 2: They're gonna move everybody because, of course, all things must be folded into YouTube, West. The lines here are getting pretty confusing. I mean, YouTube music was already sort of a bastardized app that, you know, was just sort of clawed on top of YouTube in a way that I I mean, I even use it sometimes and I don't especially like. But now you've got like What is a pod like YouTube adding podcast support? And you've got this sort of blend between YouTube music and YouTube for something that's supposed to just be, you know, like an artist's feed in a podcast.
Speaker 2: support? And you've got this sort of blend between YouTube music and YouTube
Speaker 2: for something that's
Speaker 2: supposed to just be, you know, like an artist's feed in a podcast.
Speaker 0: It's a lot. Yeah. It is. And I can't help but feel like internal machinations have influenced this over time. Like, there have been different tribes. And slowly, but surely the YouTube Kingdom is just growing and winning battle after battle. That's why because Google videos, right, their whole video streaming platform for selling videos is now routed to the play store now. Music got folded into YouTube and now podcasts. And the podcast one I think is really about advertising. Because YouTube has really been sucking all of the air out of podcast advertising. YouTube and TikTok and and anything that's a platform where one staff member from like a company that wants to sponsor. One person can sit down and reach ten fifteen creators and individually select by demographics like a and, you know, different types of preferences for preferences for technology. Like, that just that system scales so much easier and better. It just sort of naturally is where
Speaker 0: internal machinations
Speaker 0: have influenced this over time. Like, there have been different tribes.
Speaker 0: And slowly, but surely the YouTube Kingdom is just growing and winning battle after battle. That's why because Google videos, right, their whole video streaming platform for selling videos is now routed to the play store now. Music got folded into YouTube and now podcasts. And
Speaker 0: the podcast one I think is really about advertising.
Speaker 0: Because YouTube has really been sucking all of the air out of podcast advertising. YouTube and TikTok and and anything that's a platform where
Speaker 0: one
Speaker 0: staff member from like a company that wants to sponsor. One person can sit down and reach ten fifteen creators and individually select by demographics like a and,
Speaker 0: you know, different types of preferences for preferences for technology. Like, that just that system scales so much easier and better. It just sort of naturally is where
Speaker 2: as the market has gotten tighter. It's the upside of the big concentrated platform. Right? The advertisers have one thing to understand and not, not to negotiate with different podcasters to do things differently. And they get more data too. Right?
Speaker 0: Yeah. They get more data than I'd be willing to give them.
Speaker 2: The YouTube platform collects more data about your watch behavior and then also the views are public. That's not true on podcasts. It did surprise me that Google's actually supporting the option of an OPML file. If you don't wanna move to YouTube music, and it just makes me think that that wouldn't have been offered if the community hadn't already standardized on a format like that that they expect Google to offer.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I was surprised to see it too. You know, I I don't know what I expected them to do, some sort of weird, like, Google to take out things. Yeah. Here's a here's a zip file in a in a format that doesn't fit with anything else, but good luck. Yeah. We'll see how this goes. I'm not I'm not big on this because YouTube eats the metrics. Right? They eat all the plays. So it doesn't get reflected on our other mechanisms to track. So when I go to say an advertiser, I have to disclaim that there are several thousand numbers missing from this count because those are counted by the YouTube platform, I could send you a screenshot shrug emoji. Right? So it it it that's why I don't like it is because Google rehosts my file. And so if I want to swap the file out or if I want to amend a new transcript, I have to go through Google's platform. I have to use Google's tools with their limitations
Speaker 0: You know, I I don't know what I expected them to do, some sort of weird, like, Google to take out things. Yeah. Here's a here's a zip file in a in a format that doesn't fit with anything else, but good luck.
Speaker 0: Yeah.
Speaker 0: We'll see how this goes. I'm not I'm not big on this because
Speaker 0: YouTube
Speaker 0: eats the metrics. Right? They eat all the plays. So it doesn't get reflected
Speaker 0: on our other mechanisms to track.
Speaker 0: So when I go to say an advertiser,
Speaker 0: I have to disclaim that there are several thousand numbers missing from this count because those are
Speaker 0: counted by the YouTube platform, I could send you a screenshot
Speaker 0: shrug emoji.
Speaker 0: Right? So it it it that's why I don't like it is because Google
Speaker 0: rehosts my file.
Speaker 0: And so if I want to swap the file out or if I want to amend a new transcript, I have to go through Google's platform. I have to use Google's tools with their limitations
Speaker 2: And, admittedly, some of that stuff could be nice if you're just getting started. Right? Like, you don't wanna have to understand how to roll all that yourself, which makes it attractive. But there's no all the cart. You either use all of it or none of it. And like maybe we wanna we wanna be on that platform, but yeah, we don't want we don't want them to have everything. That's a fair point. And I think the monetization is much easier YouTube. On YouTube, you just kinda gotta figure out what's gonna get enough views to monetize and do that, and it's built into the platform.
Speaker 0: With independent podcasting, until boost in value for value, there's never been a uniform way to support all podcasters. It's generally handheld memberships or swag or Patreon or some other custom world solution that the podcast have to implement, and then the audiences have to self implement as well. And it's on YouTube, you just get to enough views and then you can check a box. And as long as you're a good little boy or girl, you get paid. It's way easier, but it's also platform capture. Oh, sorry. I wasn't listening to that last bit. I've been watching this short. That's sort of one other little amendment to the bad news is as this transition's happening, YouTube is removing controls for creators to specify the types of advertising. So creators will no longer be able to individually select if a video or a podcast as a pre roll or a post roll or skippable or non skippable ads. That's just no longer under the creator's control. So not only are they killing Google podcasts moving all the podcasts over, trying to assume all the videos and music and create a huge advertising platform. At the same time, they're removing the controls the creators get to control what type of ads is shown to their audience. Lovely. Great. Yeah. Now some good news. And, West, I really wanna get your raw pain thoughts on this one because I suspect I'm looking at, like, all of, like, the advantages, and you're probably looking at some of the broader, secondary, third order effect type stuffs. But Blueberry, which is a really well known podcast network and, support infrastructure. Sort of, I'd say the better alternative to lives in. Integrates well with what Wordpress and has a good team behind it, has announced podcast mirror. Now podcast mere reminds me a bit of feed burner back in the day. And that was you takes you take a traditional RSS feed And you add it to feed burner and feed burner makes it a podcasting feed or a blog feed depending on the era. And then that made it, you know, you could have enclosure tag, and it would have the iTunes proprietary namespace, and it had all the stuff you needed to make a podcast a podcast. And so JB jumped in on Feedburner very early on. Of course later, I think it was acquired by Google and essentially left out to die. And podcast mirror is a similar kind of idea where you have a standard podcasting feed, a podcasting one dot o feed, You feed it to podcast premier, and it spits out a fully podcasting two point zero compatible version of that feed with the live item tag, value for value, the medium options, so people could switch a pod ping supports, you can notify the apps, good support and all the things you kinda want from a podcasting, for the most part, from a podcasting Toyota feed. And so you can use your traditional platform, like in our case fireside or maybe in somebody else's case lives in or whatever it might be wherever you have a podcast. Sure. Anything that produces an RSS feed. And then you feed it to podcast mirror, and they spit out a two dot o version. And of course, they spend a lot of time on their website talking about how they've optimized it for performance. They've optimized it for compatibility. They have a great CDN. They talk about some of the cloudflare tech they're using. So that they claim, you know, it's gonna have really good reliability. They've been alpha testing it for quite a while. For free, for a for a large portion of users. So it has been in production for a bit. And, of course, the blueberry team seems to really know podcasting and RSS, and they've been aggressive with podcasting two dot o. So I think it's pretty compelling west because I don't know if it'd be a great fit for, say, the Linux unplugged feed. Right? But what about like the member feeds? Because that's where we really struggle because of limitations still know exactly how we do it, but some you know what?circumstance where we have a show where we don't really foresee the possibility of us custom creating that RSS feed or something, or maybe you're a podcaster out there that is using fireside or something equivalent to fireside, the the podcast host,
Speaker 0: handheld memberships
Speaker 0: or swag or Patreon
Speaker 0: or some other custom world solution that the podcast have to implement, and then the audiences have to self implement as well. And it's
Speaker 0: on YouTube,
Speaker 0: you just get to enough views and then you can check a box. And as long as you're a good little boy or girl, you get paid. It's way easier, but it's also platform capture. Oh, sorry. I wasn't listening to that last bit. I've been watching this short.
Speaker 0: That's sort of one other little amendment to the bad news is as this transition's happening,
Speaker 0: YouTube is removing controls for creators
Speaker 0: to specify the types of advertising. So creators will no longer be able to individually select
Speaker 0: if
Speaker 0: a video or a podcast as a pre roll or a post roll or skippable or non skippable ads. That's just no longer under the creator's control. So not only are they killing Google podcasts
Speaker 0: moving all the podcasts over, trying to assume all the videos and music and create a huge advertising platform. At the same time, they're removing the controls the creators get to control what type of ads is shown to their audience. Lovely.
Speaker 0: Great. Yeah. Now some good news. And, West, I really wanna get your raw pain thoughts on this one because I suspect
Speaker 0: I'm looking at, like, all of, like, the advantages, and you're probably looking at some of the broader, secondary,
Speaker 0: third order effect type stuffs. But
Speaker 0: Blueberry, which is a really well known podcast network and, support infrastructure. Sort of, I'd say the better alternative to lives in. Integrates well with what Wordpress and has a good team behind it, has announced podcast mirror.
Speaker 0: Now podcast mere reminds me a bit of feed burner back in the day. And that was you takes you take a traditional
Speaker 0: RSS feed And you add it to feed burner and feed burner makes it a podcasting
Speaker 0: feed or a blog feed depending on the era. And then that made it, you know, you could have enclosure tag, and it would have the iTunes proprietary
Speaker 0: namespace, and it had all the stuff you needed
Speaker 0: to make a podcast a podcast.
Speaker 0: And so JB jumped in on Feedburner very early on. Of course later, I think it was acquired by Google and essentially left out to die.
Speaker 0: And podcast mirror is a similar kind of idea
Speaker 0: where you have a standard podcasting feed, a podcasting one dot o feed, You feed it to podcast premier,
Speaker 0: and it spits out
Speaker 0: a fully podcasting two point zero compatible version of that feed with
Speaker 0: the live item tag, value for value,
Speaker 0: the medium options, so people could switch a pod ping supports, you can notify the apps, good support and all the things you kinda want from a podcasting, for the most part, from a podcasting Toyota feed. And so you can use your traditional platform, like in our case fireside or maybe in somebody else's case lives in or whatever it might be wherever you have a podcast.
Speaker 0: Sure. Anything that produces an RSS feed. And then you feed it to podcast mirror,
Speaker 0: and they spit out a two dot o version. And of course, they spend a lot of time on their website talking about how they've optimized it for performance. They've optimized it for compatibility. They have a great CDN.
Speaker 0: They talk about some of the cloudflare tech they're using.
Speaker 0: So that they claim, you know, it's gonna have really good reliability. They've been alpha testing it for quite a while.
Speaker 0: For free, for a for a large portion of users. So it has been in production for a bit. And, of course, the blueberry team seems to really know podcasting and RSS, and they've been aggressive with podcasting two dot o. So I think it's pretty compelling west because
Speaker 0: I don't know if it'd be a great fit for, say, the Linux unplugged feed. Right?
Speaker 0: But
Speaker 0: what about like the member feeds?
Speaker 0: Because that's where we really struggle because of limitations
Speaker 0: still know exactly how we do it, but some you know what?circumstance where we have a show
Speaker 0: where we don't really foresee the possibility of us custom
Speaker 0: creating that RSS feed or something, or maybe you're a podcaster out there that is using fireside or something equivalent to fireside, the the podcast host,
Speaker 2: And you'd you wanna keep your host, but you also wanna do podcasting two to two and be able to do booths, and be able to do live streams. Yeah. I wonder how much of this is like a secondary funnel for Blueberry? You know, like, how many folks sign up for podcast mirror? Because at for whatever reason at the time, they can't really change providers. With the hope that they, you know, like, how long do you actually stay on just mirror and not want the rest of it? Because I think that the nice part, right, is you get this You get stuff that maybe if you're not too sure, you're not happy with the feed generated, seemingly they're gonna correct stuff, apply standardization features, and, of course, add in a bunch of stuff for podcasting two point o. Which is awesome. And for if you're stuck at a place that isn't doing that, but you've been itching for support, and you don't wanna reroll your own feet or something, this seems perfect. But on the flip side, now you got two UIs, right? Like, you gotta go add all your main data in your whatever your original system, and then you go add your podcasting two point eight stuff on the mirror side. So I wonder a little bit about, like, how long at scale you do that? Probably just fine for a single podcast, but if you run-in more than one, that could get a little tricky. And I don't know one thing I'd like to investigate is, does podcast mirror have an API? Cause that could make a break whether or not it seems really useful for us. That is a great point. That would be a great feature. I suspect
Speaker 2: With the hope that they, you know, like, how long do you actually stay on just mirror and not want the rest of it?
Speaker 2: Because I think that the nice part, right, is you get this
Speaker 2: You get stuff that maybe if you're not too sure, you're not happy with the feed generated, seemingly they're gonna correct stuff, apply standardization features,
Speaker 2: and, of course, add in a bunch of stuff for podcasting two point o. Which is awesome. And for if you're stuck at a place that isn't doing that, but you've been itching for support, and you don't wanna reroll your own feet or something, this seems perfect.
Speaker 2: But on the flip side, now you got two UIs, right? Like, you gotta go add all your main data in your whatever your original system, and then you go add your podcasting two point eight stuff on the mirror side. So I wonder a little bit about, like, how long at scale you do that? Probably just fine for a single podcast, but if you run-in more than one, that could get a little tricky. And I don't know one thing I'd like to investigate is, does podcast mirror have an API? Cause that could make a break whether or not it seems really useful for us. That is a great point. That would be a great feature. I suspect
Speaker 0: one of its limitations, but perhaps solve one of the problems you mentioned is it may only be able to do the podcasting Toyota stuff. It may only be able to do the podcasting Toyota additional features to a one zero feed. At the show level, not at the individual episode level. So in the show level, you would set the standard values play. You would the sort of the standard, you know, hosting and cohost information. And I don't know, like, if there is actually a UI to go in, and say specific value split for this individual episode and that kind of that level of detail. I think it's only feed level stuff, possibly. But I'm not sure because I haven't tried it. It does seem, you know, if you get a nice CDN for what they're advertising right now, sixty bucks a year, that could be pretty compelling. I mean, that that also makes me wonder
Speaker 0: solve one of the problems you mentioned is it may only be able to do the podcasting Toyota stuff.
Speaker 0: It may only be able to do the podcasting Toyota additional features to a one zero feed.
Speaker 0: At the show level,
Speaker 0: not at the individual episode level. So in the show level, you would set the standard values play. You would the sort of the standard,
Speaker 0: you know, hosting and cohost information.
Speaker 0: And I don't know, like, if there is actually a UI to go in, and say specific value split for this individual episode and that kind of that level of detail. I think it's only feed level stuff, possibly. But I'm not sure because I haven't tried it. It does seem, you know, if you get a nice CDN for what they're advertising right now, sixty bucks a year, that could be pretty compelling. I mean, that that also makes me wonder
Speaker 2: What if I just want that part? You know, like, I don't care about that stuff. Can I, is there an option where you don't mess with my feed at all? But you just mirror it out for me and we go from there? Cause that also seems like it had some value. That's true because like in the case of office hours, we're just doing an XML file on object storage. Yeah. Right. So if we just point that there and say, Hey, make it go faster. Yeah. And then it sits in front of that. The other thing that's kinda nice that Feedburner gave us
Speaker 0: is then you can change what the mirrors pointed at. So if we say wanted to move object storage, origin points, or know, wanted to put it up on a different HTTP service that we write someday or, you know, maybe we start generating the hosting on GitHub or whatever.
Speaker 0: change what the mirrors pointed at. So if we say wanted to move object storage, origin points, or know, wanted to put it up on a different HTTP service that we write someday or, you know, maybe we start generating the hosting on GitHub or whatever.
Speaker 2: We could just redirect whatever the mere source is. Yeah. That's a great point. It's a nice little built in layer of redirection. You can kinda give them the top layer thing, and not have to worry if you need to fudge some details in the background for a bit. So they're charging sixty bucks a year
Speaker 0: for this. I I imagine maybe it's per feed. Again, I haven't totally dug into it because I feel like if I do, I won't be able to stop myself. Yeah. Yes.
Speaker 2: Exactly. No. I I almost signed up just to start playing with it. I didn't wonder if you have any worries about that just from some of our our existing providers. You know, like, you get a deal at one point and then you really become successful. You really actually use the service, and then Then you get like a little email that says, oh, yeah. Well, you're past the tier that we advertised for you.
Speaker 0: Which West is hinting just literally happened for the second time now from fireside where they start with congratulations on your success. You're costing us so much that if you don't pay us more in the next week or two weeks or whatever it is or sometimes it's a month that depends. One time, it was like, It felt like a couple of days notice. I don't recall. We're gonna either remove you or you gotta pay up because you're using too much bandwidth. It stinks because I don't know. It's like they don't advertise you don't you can't even sign up for these plans that they have. They have these tiers that are unlisted that they then tell you about once you've reached a certain point. And it becomes more and more of a call center as the show grows. And I just think about a future. And I don't know if we'll get there, but I just think about a future where maybe we could self host our own IPFS gateway and redirect our own URL redirector. And we see the IPFS podcasting network with some nodes throughout the world on Linode. And so the file downloads are being served by IPFS. And the RSS feed is either, like, we have a cloudflare type CDN, or we're using something like podcast mirror. And so the RSS feed is being served by that mirror. The files are being served by IPFS At that point, we just need a simple Hugo front end, and we are basically just running on top of infrastructure. It's like it's like podcasting on metal.
Speaker 0: West is hinting just literally happened for the second time now from fireside where they start with congratulations on your success.
Speaker 0: You're costing us so much that if you don't pay us more in the next week or two weeks or whatever it is or sometimes it's a month that depends. One time, it was like,
Speaker 0: It felt like a couple of days notice. I don't recall. We're gonna either remove you or you gotta pay up because you're using too much bandwidth. It stinks because
Speaker 0: I don't know. It's like they don't advertise you don't you can't even sign up for these plans that they have. They have these tiers that are unlisted that they then tell you about once you've reached a certain
Speaker 0: point. And it becomes more and more of a call center as the show grows. And I just think about a future. And I don't know if we'll get there, but I just think about a future where maybe we could self host our own IPFS gateway and redirect our own URL redirector.
Speaker 0: And we see the IPFS podcasting network with some nodes throughout the world on Linode.
Speaker 0: And so the file downloads are being served by IPFS.
Speaker 0: And the RSS feed is either, like, we have a cloudflare type CDN, or we're using something like podcast mirror.
Speaker 0: And so the RSS feed is being served by that mirror. The files are being served by IPFS
Speaker 0: At that point, we just need a simple Hugo front end,
Speaker 0: and we are basically just running on top of infrastructure. It's like it's like podcasting on metal.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like that. And I think that's maybe one area that podcast mirror kinda gets right. It's like you can just insert it and, you know, the more tools you have that are composable the more options you have instead of just, like, using WordPress with Powerpress and just having, you know, having that all in one box, which can be really nice when you get started, but, Once you're doing weird stuff, you need a little more flexibility and you like the weird.
Speaker 2: the more options you have instead of just, like, using WordPress with Powerpress and just having, you know, having that all in one box, which can be really nice when you get started, but, Once you're doing weird stuff, you need a little more flexibility and you like the weird.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. The other thing I've noticed with with, the podcasting mirror which we'll put a link to the podcast mirror. It's just podcast mirror dot com. They are creating a solution for generating podcasting two point o RSS feeds when hosting providers aren't stepping up. And another company that's doing this is pod fans, although they're not there yet. But a component of what they're working on will also include the ability for podcasters to go in and fill out some of the extra two point o fields in a really nice UI, a real solid alternative sovereign feeds. God bless sovereign feeds. I use it. I love it. And then you get the XML file and you can host it wherever you want. So I had a nice little morning call with Sam, Cathy from Pod fans. He's also, from Pod News. And they're developing a new podcast two dot o app that has kind of a new modern take on the Netflix UI for the discovery screen. Oh. It's a progressive web app It does have some offline features like local storage, and they do in browser SQL. And I kinda like this idea was of the progressive web app. Originally, I was kind of against these, but as we see different app store shenanigans around SaaS and booths, and we just think about, like, being able to move from desktop to Android to iPhone, I think I'm kinda getting on board with the whole PWA for a podcast app.
Speaker 0: They are creating a solution for generating podcasting two point o RSS feeds when hosting providers aren't stepping up.
Speaker 0: And another company that's doing this is pod fans, although they're not there yet.
Speaker 0: But a component of what they're working on will also include the ability for podcasters to go in and fill out some of the extra two point o fields in a really nice UI, a real solid alternative sovereign feeds. God bless sovereign feeds. I use it. I love it. And then you get the XML file and you can host it wherever you want. So I had a nice little morning call
Speaker 0: with Sam, Cathy from
Speaker 0: Pod fans. He's also, from Pod News.
Speaker 0: And they're developing a new podcast two dot o app that has kind of a new modern take on the Netflix UI for the discovery screen. Oh.
Speaker 0: It's a progressive web app It does have some offline features like local storage, and they do in browser SQL.
Speaker 0: And I kinda like this idea was of the progressive web app. Originally, I was kind of against these, but
Speaker 0: as we see different app store shenanigans around SaaS and booths, and we just think about, like, being able to move from desktop to Android to iPhone,
Speaker 0: I think I'm kinda getting on board with the whole PWA for a podcast app.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, it it's nice that we have options. So it's cool someone exploring that segment of the market. And, hey, at least we know for now, the web still remains a pretty open environment. And I think they've nailed one of the best UIs.
Speaker 0: Playback stuff. But they've also each one of these new apps has had some time to watch the market and figure out what the next stage of fully embracing value for value is. And I felt this way for a while, the next stage is giving value back to the audience directly too. And they have built that in in some ways that kind of gamify the platform for pod fans. And there's probably, like, twenty of them, but here's a few. Like, They have a playlist feature. So if you go and you're a pod fans user and you create some playlist of different shows, like maybe a collection of your favorite JB shows, And somebody else listens to that playlist and they boost from that playlist, you get a one percent split of that boost off. Oh, neat. Does that also mean that the playlist is itself a feed? Yeah. I guess. Yeah. Must be. Yeah. And it's all in, you know, it's all it's all in the search and all that too. There's also the ability for us to define how many stats a listener gets when they play a trailer of our podcast. So if we create a trailer, you know, office hours, office hours, office hours in a world where podcasting is changing. Know, we do that kind of thing. We could pay them like two hundred sets for listening to our trailer. Oh, okay. How do how would that work on the back end? Does that those, like, do we have to send sats to pod pans and they do it out, or they make like an invoice to us somehow? I think it comes from, actually, it comes from, like, the splits So they have there's like, you know, there's a balance and they take it from that balance. And then also they are contributing about ten thousand stats from their which is like two bucks for them. Right? So it's super low user acquisition cost. They're also contributing ten thousand stats to all of this as well. Pod fan stuff. Oh, that's nice. So it depends on the function. Depending on the function, it's either it coming it's coming from the list from the split or it's coming from that from that stack. I see here you're talking about, like, the new user can kinda sign up and earn ten case at. You can fill out, like, a profile, follow a podcast, start playing something.
Speaker 0: each one of these new apps has had some time to watch the market and figure out what the next stage of fully embracing value for value is. And I felt this way for a while, the next stage is giving value back to the audience directly too.
Speaker 0: And they have built that in in some ways that kind of gamify the platform for pod fans. And there's probably, like, twenty of them, but here's a few. Like,
Speaker 0: They have a playlist feature. So if you go and you're a pod fans user and you create some playlist of different shows, like maybe a collection of your favorite JB shows,
Speaker 0: And somebody else listens to that playlist and they boost from that playlist, you get a one percent split of that boost off. Oh, neat. Does that also mean that the playlist is itself a feed?
Speaker 0: Yeah. I guess. Yeah. Must be. Yeah. And it's all in, you know, it's all it's all in the search and all that too. There's also the ability for us to define how many stats a listener gets when they play a trailer of our podcast. So if we create a trailer,
Speaker 0: you know, office hours, office hours, office hours in a world where podcasting is changing. Know, we do that kind of thing. We could pay them like two hundred sets for listening to our trailer. Oh, okay. How do how would that work on the back end? Does that those, like, do we have to send sats to pod pans and they do it out, or they make like an invoice to us somehow? I think it comes from, actually, it comes from, like, the splits So they have there's like, you know, there's a balance and they take it from that balance. And then also they are contributing about ten thousand stats from their which is like two bucks for them. Right? So it's super low user acquisition cost. They're also contributing ten thousand stats to all of this as well. Pod fan stuff. Oh, that's nice. So it depends on the function. Depending on the function, it's either it coming it's coming from the list from the split or it's coming from that from that stack. I see here you're talking about, like, the new user can kinda sign up and earn ten case at. You can fill out, like, a profile, follow a podcast, start playing something.
Speaker 2: That seems like a nice way to get past that hurdle of like, okay. I wanna boost, but wait, now I gotta go sign up somewhere else and get myself set and figure this whole thing out. Right. That yep. That's the problem they're trying to solve is get those stats quick, you know, see how it works, start understanding why the system is great,
Speaker 0: get over that initial hurdle, and I do think that's a neat idea too that you could, you know, you listen to a trailer. Well, go listen to, like, four or five trailers and stack some stats. You know? That's a fair trade for everybody right there. And maybe you'll listen to a podcast. You'll hear one you like and it clicks and I got a new podcast. And then you can tell us to shut up about Nick's already. You can also earn SaaS by reporting bugs and and that kind of stuff. But, there's like I said, there's like twenty ways you can earn SaaS. It's pretty great. But they have this other feature that I think is pretty brilliant. It kinda takes the fountain FM charts to the next level, and it's a top listener leader board for a show. So it it takes into account how soon after an episode has been released. It hit play. It takes into account if you've completed it. Maybe if you've listened to it twice. All of those things that you also get to collect your own stats on, go in to determining who are, like, the top super listeners of a podcast. And there's a leader board for each show. And so you'd have, like, you know, the Golden Dragon on there. Right? You'd have, you know, different listeners on the leader board. And initially, The top super listener is gonna get a one percent split of the boost. But then soon, creator's gonna be able to go in there and adjust that amount. So You could say maybe we instead of just having one superfan, let's have three superfans. And you could say Superfan number one gets a three percent split and Superfan number two gets a two percent and superfan number three gets a one percent split or whatever. So there's, you know, more more opportunity there. Oh, that's fun. And then the one I think that I could see you mean Brent doing sometime. We funded this like on a, like a caravan road trip is they have a co listening feature. That they're building in. Oh, you really like stuff like plex and jelly fin has? Yeah. Yeah. Basically, so you start the show, or I would, you know, whatever. And then you guys would go to my profile you can see what show I'm listening to. You hit it, and it'll take you right to where I'm at in the podcast. Okay. Yeah. I got a dry list. And so I asked him, I'm like, This is a big app. You got a lot of stuff here. They're really aggressive on the features. That implies there's some folks on the back and making it happen, and that that takes money. Right? Yeah. I said, how many users or, you know, how much revenue do you think you really need to make? Because their strategy, and I really like this is they just take a fee from the splits. And this is how a lot of other podcast intuitive apps do it, and it is a legit monetization strategy for the developer. They don't have to go sell advertising. They don't have to necessarily go into all these other avenues, try to monetize the podcast app itself. They just make a good app. They make it easy to boost. They get a little split. It's all in there. It's all listed out. It's really nice. And Pod fans is gonna use that model. Okay. So that means then, like, if I go into boost code to radio, say, then they would slide in, basically, adjust stuff. So they slide in their own split to whatever I've been sending, whatever is defined in the feed. Yeah. So in the value block, you have the different splits. And then you also have a fee split, which is separate from the from the standard splits. And so it it basically takes the one hundred percent and then it applies a little fee to that. That's a way, like, you can you can support the app without having to put them in your split directly. Oh, that's nice. And they're gonna do the same thing. Yeah. And I figure, you know, what they're looking at, with the kind of revenue they're gonna need, if they get around even like ten thousand active users, which I think is very doable with this good app, I think they're gonna be probably in sustainable territory. So it seems doable. And then lastly, the only thing I teased, which is nice to see, is they're gonna have a sovereign feeds type functionality where we could go in and export out a podcasting two dot o XML file, They also have plans, and I love to see this to integrate Transcribe dot f m, which is the lightning powered transcription service for podcasts. So, you know, podcaster could log in. You hit click a button, toss a few sets at Transcribe dot FM. Not only do you get to download the generated transcribe files, but they'll automatically then be integrated into the pod fans player, and you'll have a transcription boom right there. One click. Wow. Yeah. That is nice. And you could see how maybe, you know, your podcaster interested in podcasting two dot o stuff. You see pod fans has this. You start playing with it. It's a useful tool to just muck with your own feed. Then, yeah, maybe from there, you wanna onboard, you wanna start using it yourself. You wanna start focusing on some of those pod fan features that we just talked about. It's an interesting strategy. I think they got a really good, start. It's it's really kind of impressive. Even at the alpha stage in this week, they're gonna be rolling it out or soon. Probably by the time this is out, it'll be in public beta at pod fans dot f m. And Sam Sethi, he's a pretty interesting cat. You know, he, he worked at Netscape a hundred years ago. And, so he's seen a few things, and he He recognizes the trends that look like they're going in the right direction and the ones that are just gonna be a fad. And he's pretty bullish on the future of podcasting two dot o. And And he's managed to capture the interest of, at least some investors who haven't invested a crazy amount of money, but they've put a little money behind it to help them pay for development while it gets rolling. So They're off to the races west. Hazuh. Hazuh. Now let's take a little break. When we get back, we're gonna chat with the podcasting Tourado consultant, Alex Gates. And we're gonna troubleshoot some things that I found with the Jupiter station live item feed that we've been playing around with. But, first, With the magic wallet switching technology, your SaaS support the track. We have empathize from Ethereum. And my new favorite track called Shadowman.
Speaker 0: I do think that's a neat idea too that you could, you know, you listen to a trailer. Well, go listen to, like, four or five trailers and stack some stats. You know? That's a fair trade for everybody right there. And maybe you'll listen to a podcast. You'll hear one you like and it clicks and I got a new podcast. And then you can tell us to shut up about Nick's already.
Speaker 0: You can also earn SaaS by reporting bugs and and that kind of stuff. But, there's like I said, there's like twenty ways you can earn SaaS. It's pretty great. But they have this other feature that I think is pretty brilliant. It kinda takes the fountain FM charts to the next level, and it's a top listener leader board for a show. So it it takes into account how soon after an episode has been released. It hit play. It takes into account if you've completed it. Maybe if you've listened to it twice.
Speaker 0: All of those things
Speaker 0: that you also get to collect your own stats on,
Speaker 0: go in to determining who are, like, the top super listeners
Speaker 0: of a podcast. And there's a leader board for each show. And so you'd have, like, you know, the Golden Dragon on there. Right? You'd have, you know, different listeners on the leader board.
Speaker 0: And initially,
Speaker 0: The top super listener is gonna get a one percent split of the boost.
Speaker 0: But then soon, creator's gonna be able to go in there and adjust that amount. So You could say maybe we instead of just having one superfan,
Speaker 0: let's have three superfans.
Speaker 0: And you could say Superfan number one gets a three percent split and Superfan number two gets a two percent and superfan number three gets a one percent split or whatever. So there's, you know, more more opportunity there. Oh, that's fun.
Speaker 0: And then the one I think that I could see you mean Brent doing sometime.
Speaker 0: We funded this like on a,
Speaker 0: like a caravan road trip is they have a co listening feature. That they're building in. Oh, you really like stuff like plex and jelly fin has? Yeah. Yeah. Basically, so you start the show,
Speaker 0: or I would, you know, whatever. And then you guys would go to my profile you can see what show I'm listening to. You hit it, and it'll take you right to where I'm at in the podcast. Okay. Yeah. I got a dry list.
Speaker 0: And so I asked him, I'm like,
Speaker 0: This is a big app. You got a lot of stuff here.
Speaker 0: They're really aggressive on the features. That implies there's some folks on the back and making it happen, and that that takes money. Right? Yeah. I said, how many users or, you know, how much revenue do you think you really need to make? Because their strategy,
Speaker 0: and I really like this is they just take a fee from the splits.
Speaker 0: And this is how a lot of other podcast intuitive apps do it, and it is a legit
Speaker 0: monetization strategy for the developer. They don't have to go sell advertising. They don't have to necessarily go into all these other avenues, try to monetize the podcast app itself. They just make a good app. They make it easy to boost. They get a little split. It's all in there. It's all listed out. It's really nice. And Pod fans is gonna use that model. Okay. So that means then, like, if I go into boost code to radio, say, then they would slide in, basically, adjust stuff. So they slide in their own split to whatever I've been sending, whatever is defined in the feed. Yeah. So in the value block, you have the different splits. And then you also have a fee split, which is separate from the
Speaker 0: from the standard splits. And so it it basically takes the one hundred percent and then it applies a little fee to that. That's a way, like, you can you can support the app without having to put them in your split directly. Oh, that's nice. And they're gonna do the same thing. Yeah. And I figure, you know, what they're looking at, with the kind of revenue they're gonna need, if they get around even like ten thousand active users, which I think is very doable with this good app, I think they're gonna be probably in sustainable territory. So it seems doable.
Speaker 0: And then lastly, the only thing I teased,
Speaker 0: which is nice to see, is they're gonna have a sovereign feeds type functionality where
Speaker 0: we could go in and export out a podcasting two dot o XML file, They also have plans, and I love to see this
Speaker 0: to integrate Transcribe dot f m, which is the lightning powered transcription service
Speaker 0: for podcasts.
Speaker 0: So, you know, podcaster could log in. You hit click a button, toss a few sets at Transcribe dot FM.
Speaker 0: Not only do you get to download the generated transcribe files, but they'll automatically then be integrated into the pod fans player, and you'll have a transcription boom right there. One click. Wow. Yeah. That is nice. And you could see how maybe, you know, your podcaster interested in podcasting two dot o stuff. You see pod fans has this. You start playing with it. It's a useful tool to just muck with your own feed. Then, yeah, maybe from there, you wanna onboard, you wanna start using it yourself. You wanna start focusing on some of those pod fan features that we just talked about. It's an interesting strategy. I think they got a really good, start. It's it's really kind of impressive. Even at the alpha stage in this week, they're gonna be rolling it out or soon. Probably by the time this is out, it'll be in public beta at pod fans dot f m. And Sam Sethi, he's a pretty interesting cat. You know, he, he worked at Netscape a hundred years ago. And, so he's seen a few things, and he He recognizes the trends that look like they're going in the right direction and the ones that are just gonna be a fad. And he's pretty bullish on the future of podcasting two dot o. And And he's managed to capture the interest of, at least some investors who haven't invested a crazy amount of money, but they've put a little money behind it to help them pay for development while it gets rolling. So They're off to the races west. Hazuh.
Speaker 0: Hazuh.
Speaker 0: Now let's take a little break. When we get back, we're gonna chat with the podcasting Tourado consultant, Alex Gates.
Speaker 0: And we're gonna troubleshoot some things that I found with the Jupiter station live item feed that we've been playing around with. But, first, With the magic wallet switching technology,
Speaker 0: your SaaS support the track. We have empathize from Ethereum. And my new favorite track
Speaker 0: called Shadowman.
Speaker 1: So, Alex joins us right now. The pie
Speaker 1: Alex joins us right now. The pie
Speaker 0: casting two dot o consultant, as we say. And I thought Alex, you'd be the perfect guy to talk to for this idea. I have for, a new podcasting two point zero, Jupiter station feed. So welcome back to office hours. It's good to have you back. Hey, Chris. Thanks for having me. So I saw you and I are almost, like, on the same line of thinking recently. And I I just I love this. I didn't even know you were thinking about this or writing an enhancement proposal around this until Dave Jones told me when I wrote in with some questions. So here's what I here's what I'm trying to accomplish, Alex. I have created a Jupiter station podcasting Turino feed with a live item entry for our twenty four seven MP three ice cast type stream. And I wanted to create a way that even before we get lit support in all of our individual show feeds, people with the new podcasting two dot o apps could essentially tap in from their app and listen while they're on the go or jump in and just sample the back catalog as it were and just get some random JB shows played to them. And then when we're live, you know, it we just cut in and they get to hear the live show. And ideally, we'd probably update the the the feed entry with the current show information eventually. But I'm I'm noticing I'm hitting some limitations with this idea already. And I think I'm not really using the live item tag for what really meant for. And I I I some of the friction points I hit are like, it is kind of essentially impossible. As far as I can tell to switch the value block to actually reflect the show that's currently playing because it's just the boost just go to the feed for the stream. And I can put splits in there and I have, but it's not quite the same thing. It doesn't show up, say, in Hellipad for the show that's currently playing on the stream, which it kinda be necessary. For reading live boosts. It's always live. So the pending and and and ended status stuff doesn't really work. And so I don't really get to take advantage push notifications as well. I think I probably could as well. So these are some of the friction points I'm hitting, and I kinda wanted to hear your thoughts. Okay. Yeah. That's there's a lot to unpack there. So, pro pro probably tackle that in two different approaches.
Speaker 0: you were thinking about this or writing an enhancement proposal around this until Dave Jones told me when I wrote in with some questions. So here's what I here's what I'm trying to accomplish, Alex.
Speaker 0: I have created a
Speaker 0: Jupiter station podcasting Turino feed with a live item entry
Speaker 0: for our twenty four seven MP three ice cast type stream.
Speaker 0: And I wanted to create a way that even before we get lit support in all of our individual show feeds, people with the new podcasting two dot o apps could
Speaker 0: essentially tap in from their app and listen while they're on the go or
Speaker 0: jump in and just sample the back catalog as it were and just get some random JB shows played to them. And then when we're live, you know, it we just cut in and they get to hear the live show.
Speaker 0: And ideally, we'd probably update the the the feed entry with the current show information eventually.
Speaker 0: But I'm I'm noticing I'm hitting some limitations
Speaker 0: with this idea already.
Speaker 0: And I think I'm not really using the live item tag for what really meant for.
Speaker 0: And I I I some of the friction points I hit are like, it is
Speaker 0: kind of essentially impossible.
Speaker 0: As far as I can tell to switch the value block
Speaker 0: to actually reflect the show that's currently playing because it's just the boost just go to the feed for the stream.
Speaker 0: And I can put splits in there and I have, but it's not quite the same thing. It doesn't show up, say, in Hellipad for the show that's currently playing on the stream, which it kinda be necessary.
Speaker 0: For reading live boosts.
Speaker 0: It's always live.
Speaker 0: So the pending and and and ended status stuff doesn't really work. And so I don't really get to take advantage push notifications as well. I think I probably could as well. So these are some of the friction points I'm hitting, and I kinda wanted to hear your thoughts. Okay. Yeah. That's there's a lot to unpack there. So, pro pro probably tackle that in two different approaches.
Speaker 1: The value stuff is still, let's just say hard. Because, the way the way it's approached by every app so far is completely different. It's not really designed for twenty four seven content. Right? Like, the there and there's a couple different areas where they have twenty four live seven live streams and that they have all these different shows, and we're just not ready to handle that yet. So I wanna definitely explore different ideas on how we could do that in the future, but let me just kind of explain where I was coming up with a radio, medium idea, to start with? Yeah. Your enhancement proposal. Right. So, I mean, it actually it wasn't my idea in the first place. So I'm I guess for even more history, I created the medium specification to basically have this idea of, every different type of application could have its own medium. So you could you can index all these different RSS feeds and know what they are. They're right. You can put a blog in there if you want to. Right? So or music. Or live stream. Yep. Yep. Yep. So while live stream is, that's a whole different
Speaker 1: let's just say hard.
Speaker 1: Because, the way the way it's approached by every app so far
Speaker 1: is completely different. It's not really designed for twenty four seven
Speaker 1: content. Right? Like, the there and there's a couple different areas where they have twenty four live seven live streams and that
Speaker 1: they
Speaker 1: have all these different shows, and we're just not ready to handle that yet. So I wanna definitely explore different ideas on how we could do that in the future, but let me just kind of explain
Speaker 1: where I was coming up with a radio,
Speaker 1: medium idea,
Speaker 1: to start with? Yeah. Your enhancement proposal. Right. So, I mean, it actually it wasn't my idea in the first place. So I'm I guess for even more history,
Speaker 1: I created the medium
Speaker 1: specification
Speaker 1: to basically have this idea of,
Speaker 1: every different type of application
Speaker 1: could have its own medium. So you could you can index all these different RSS feeds and know what they are. They're right. You can put a blog in there if you want to. Right? So or music.
Speaker 1: Or live stream. Yep. Yep. Yep. So while live stream is, that's a whole different
Speaker 0: I don't wanna get too technical. Okay. Okay. But music, blog, podcast.
Speaker 1: And audiobooks and video. Yeah. I think that's the the main one. So So I was talking to Sam Sethy on the, pod Progyny's weekly review. I think it was two or three weeks ago now. So, He actually brought up to me in an interview there, which I wasn't expecting, about this idea of having a radiant medium. And at first, I wasn't too interested in the idea. And then I actually just got a new car, my first one since, two thousand seven. Oh, congrats. Oh, yeah. I got SiriusXM on it. I just tried out. And, I I I had this idea of, how how could we present podcast live streams in a similar, similar UI. To what we have with radio stations. And, this is kinda where, you know, where it's out, it would go, where if I wanna do, like, just see what's playing on Jupyter Podcasting radio or whatever Jupyter's signal,
Speaker 1: So I was talking to Sam Sethy on the, pod Progyny's weekly review. I think it was
Speaker 1: two or three weeks ago now. So,
Speaker 1: He actually brought up to me in an interview there, which I wasn't expecting,
Speaker 1: about this idea of having a radiant medium.
Speaker 1: And at first, I wasn't too
Speaker 1: interested in the idea. And then I actually just got a new car, my first one since, two thousand seven. Oh, congrats. Oh, yeah. I got SiriusXM on it. I just tried out.
Speaker 1: And, I I I had this idea of, how how could we
Speaker 1: present
Speaker 1: podcast live streams in a similar, similar UI.
Speaker 1: To what we have with radio stations.
Speaker 1: And, this is kinda where, you know, where it's out, it would go,
Speaker 1: where if I wanna do, like, just see what's playing on Jupyter Podcasting radio or whatever Jupyter's signal,
Speaker 0: you can just turn it on, right, and just see whatever's on, on, at the current time. I've been actually doing that in my testing of this feed, and I really like it. Like, it's it's sort of simpler than trying to pick an episode. The, you know, the DJ bots picking it for me. Yeah. Exactly.
Speaker 0: The, you know, the DJ bots picking it for me. Yeah. Exactly.
Speaker 1: So that's kinda where top down the the idea was from to have a way for applications to prevent radio streams. And, I mean, it's not traditional radio, but it's the same. That that's the that's the user interface we're trying to represent here. Just for, like, the context of discussion. I've heard a couple different things, David and Adam went, they went all over the place for different ideas they could they could use it for. So this not to be close to finalize yet. I think my proposal is still in draft stage. I think I even have a a disclaimer in there You note that it needs to be rewritten. I'm curious what your thoughts are. The way I wrote it originally was to have just one. It wouldn't even update the episode details. It would just say, like, just one live item like you have it now, and it would just say jupyter signal live stream. And the and the idea for that is the podcast app wouldn't be, expected to update the current playing episode just because,
Speaker 1: top down the the idea was from to have
Speaker 1: a way for applications to prevent
Speaker 1: radio streams. And, I mean, it's not traditional radio, but it's the same. That that's the that's the user interface we're trying to represent here. Just for, like, the context of discussion.
Speaker 1: I've heard a couple different things, David and Adam went, they went all over the place for different ideas they could they could use it for. So this not to be close to finalize yet. I think my proposal is still in draft stage. I think I even have a a
Speaker 1: disclaimer in there You note that it needs to be rewritten. I'm curious what your thoughts are. The way I wrote it originally was to have just one. It wouldn't even update the episode details. It would just say, like,
Speaker 1: just one live item like you have it now, and it would just say
Speaker 1: jupyter signal live stream.
Speaker 1: And the and the idea for that is
Speaker 1: the podcast app wouldn't be, expected to update the current playing episode
Speaker 1: just because,
Speaker 0: that's well, I mean, you don't really have that radio, right, until you totally turn it on. And and then it's depending on your server. If it'll actually send the client and the client, you know, the client might not be set up to receive the metadata from the IceCast server. Exactly. And and and it could be used for live video or something too. So Yeah. Yeah. We have a peer tube instance. We could, you know, have an option to switch over to the video version. Mhmm.
Speaker 1: So that's where the idea was, but I'm hearing people say that they want to have the the current playing episode listed.
Speaker 1: that's where the idea was, but I'm hearing people say that they want to have the the current playing episode listed.
Speaker 0: And I'm kind of on the fence about it. I'm kinda wondering what what your thoughts are on that. I think I would want the feed entry to be Jupiter Station, the live feed. And then once you're playing it, I would like the current show information to be somewhere in there. Because if you're jumping midway in, you don't even really know know necessarily what show it is at first until you get your bearings. So it's sort of somewhere in the middle because I won't be sending out pod ping updates for every time the show changes on the live stream, but I could see myself wanting to do a pod ping update when we're going live with a weekly production. So when we're switching from the back catalog twenty four seven stream Hey, Linux Unplug is actually live right now. It'd be nice to let people that have that feed subscript subscription. It'd be nice to let them know we're actually truly live right now. That's, that's actually not that complicated. You could just have two different live items. You could have one that's a node forever that never ends. That's just the Jupiter signal live stream. Sure. Right. And you could have a separate one that that you still have a notification for. Oh, that is very clever. That is very that's you could do that right now. Mhmm. I might I might that might be my solution then. And then I'm not as I mean, the value block stuff would be ideal, but it doesn't seem as necessary because you can solve some of that with the splits. And then, of course, if you're boosting one of our feeds, the funds are kind of going to the same place ultimately. So it's not like it's critical, but it would be pretty great and say, like, Hellipad to see the boost come in for the show that they were listening to just so it gets allocated correctly, like, in our records.
Speaker 0: So it's sort of somewhere in the middle because
Speaker 0: I won't be sending out pod ping updates for every time the show changes on the live stream, but
Speaker 0: I could see myself wanting to do a pod ping update
Speaker 0: when we're going live with a weekly production. So when we're switching from the back catalog twenty four seven stream Hey, Linux Unplug is actually live right now.
Speaker 0: It'd be nice to let people that have that feed subscript subscription. It'd be nice to let them know we're actually truly live right now. That's, that's actually not that complicated. You could just have two different live items. You could have one that's a node forever
Speaker 0: that never ends. That's just the Jupiter signal live stream. Sure. Right. And you could have a separate one that that you still have a notification for. Oh, that is very clever. That is very that's you could do that right now. Mhmm. I might I might that might be my solution then.
Speaker 0: And then I'm not as I mean, the value block stuff would be
Speaker 0: ideal, but it doesn't seem
Speaker 0: as necessary because you can solve some of that with the splits.
Speaker 0: And then, of course, if you're boosting one of our feeds, the funds are kind of going to the same place ultimately.
Speaker 0: So it's not like it's critical, but it would be pretty great and say, like, Hellipad to see the boost come in for the show that they were listening to just so it gets allocated correctly, like, in our records.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then and then music attribution is a whole another ball of wax. Right? So I I have a feeling that we would have to lean on some of the the live walt switching technology, as Adam would say, which isn't anywhere near ready because of how hard it is to do. So, I feel I feel like that would be the, but the best route forward if we wanted to do live live live value blocks.
Speaker 1: I I have a feeling that we would have to lean on some of the the live walt switching technology, as Adam would say, which
Speaker 1: isn't anywhere near ready because of how hard it is to do.
Speaker 1: So,
Speaker 1: I feel I feel like that would be the, but the best route forward if we wanted to do live live live value blocks.
Speaker 0: But that's nowhere near a certain stone stone at the moment. I can't be the only guy that has, you know, a radio stream. I mean, I know there's the no agenda stream. So I'd love to see this How does something like this go from here's a draft to we actually see this become adopted?
Speaker 0: see this become adopted?
Speaker 1: Well, usually usually someone like me submits it. They talked about on podcasting two point o, and we see if there's interest first. Sometimes there's not, and that's fine. Sometimes people have bad ideas,
Speaker 1: usually someone like me submits it. They talked about on podcasting two point o,
Speaker 1: and we see if there's interest first.
Speaker 1: Sometimes there's not, and that's fine. Sometimes people have bad ideas,
Speaker 0: and I've presented ways to solve them and no one actually wanted to do it. So that's happened a couple of times. So you're saying I need to start like a boost campaign, a weekly boost campaign to plug this this improvement idea until they finally break down and rally the community to do it, but that's what it takes. That's what it takes. Yeah. And and the and there's two different things here. There's there's your
Speaker 1: your use case, which, you know, we just solve the way to do that, right now. And then there's the the radio medium specifically would be a new type of application. Or a new way to surface the twenty four seven live streams in an application.
Speaker 1: And then there's the
Speaker 1: the radio medium specifically
Speaker 1: would be a new type of application.
Speaker 1: Or a new way to surface the twenty four seven live streams in an application.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a brilliant idea though. I mean, easy for me to say. Right? But take, you know, take your app of choice. Why not have a tab of the shows that do have live streams? Because there's only There's only a real handful of podcasts that actually produce live content or have live streams going all the time. But I think if there was a way to discover them, you might see more podcasters motivated to do it. And I think live the live experience can be really unique and fun. Yeah. And you could easily have, like, a list of favorite live streams that you just tune into every now and then too. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, okay, Alex. You know what? Thank you for I didn't I didn't think we'd solve this really for me, but I think I have a pretty good solution for the for the JB use case, and I've been, I don't know, just probably more excited than I have in years just playing with this tooling. I'm so grateful for Stephen's be Steven B's work with some of the tooling too just to let me experiment and start playing around with this and see what we can do. And the the live stuff is it's like I've done live shows for a decade. It's just like so exciting to actually see this come to fruition and put together the Jupiter Station feed. Eventually, we'll have all our shows lit. But we'll start there and always have it going. So I'm gonna keep an eye on how this radio mediums thing, and I'm gonna I am gonna send a boost in and try to bring attention to it because I think it would be great to have some sort of option. Maybe maybe the app developers would never embrace it,
Speaker 0: Why not have a tab of
Speaker 0: the shows that do have live streams? Because there's only There's only a real handful
Speaker 0: of podcasts that actually produce live content or have live streams going all the time.
Speaker 0: But I think if there was a way to discover them, you might see more podcasters motivated to do it. And I think live the live experience can be really unique and fun. Yeah. And you could easily have, like, a list of favorite live streams that you just tune into every now and then too. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Well, okay, Alex. You know what? Thank you for I didn't I didn't think we'd solve this really for me, but I think I have a pretty good solution for the for the JB use case, and
Speaker 0: I've been, I don't know, just probably more excited than I have in years just playing with this tooling. I'm so grateful for Stephen's be Steven B's work with some of the tooling too just to let me experiment and start playing around with this and see what we can do. And the the live stuff is
Speaker 0: it's like I've done live shows for a decade. It's just like so exciting to actually see this come to fruition and put together the Jupiter Station feed. Eventually, we'll have all our shows lit. But we'll start there and always have it going. So I'm gonna keep an eye on how this radio mediums thing, and I'm gonna
Speaker 0: I am gonna send a boost in and try to bring attention to it because I think it would be great to have some sort of option. Maybe maybe the app developers would never embrace it,
Speaker 1: but maybe they will. Well, and and and that's a thing. It's not always existing app developers. Right? Like, I mean, especially, like, like, overcast. He's She's fine with what he has for the most part. But this is a whole new way of enabling new applications.
Speaker 1: Like, I mean, especially, like, like, overcast. He's She's fine with what he has for the most part.
Speaker 1: But this is a whole new way of enabling new applications.
Speaker 0: Right. Good point. Somebody could come along and take it. That's such a great point, Alex. Well, and that and that's what they're doing with the, you know, the value for value blogging too. Right? Yep. With blogging and really with music, we're seeing that take off like crazy right now. Yep. Well, I appreciate your time, Alex. Thanks for, sitting down and working through this with me. Yep. Happy to happy to it. Now it's time for the booster boost to boost boost to gram corner. Booster to gram corner. I don't know a thing about crypto. And we do have a bunch of booths to get to. I mean, a whole batch because we our milestone once again. Somehow, somehow, I I mean, I have a couple of inklings, but somehow I messed up the value block. In, like, at least the pocket episodes. So my wallet hasn't been getting the boost, but thankfully, the node for JB has and So we collected some of these the old school ways. Like, is this possible we might have missed one or two, but I don't think so. I think we got them all. I guess you'll just have boost in a second time to let us know. Sorry. If we missed it, yeah, I apologize. It was my fault. You know, running with scissors. Interstellar Dave comes in with four hundred thousand cents. Hey, what should I stop? This is Chris and Brent. Here's the four hundred thousand more to keep the office hours train I'm digging the Jupiter signal idea too. That was my idea where we'd have a maybe a weekly show that's kind of a wrap up of the news that was covered in lep Coder and self hosted. Or office hours. It's sort of like a meta show. So if there was news that maybe happened in a show you don't normally listen to, you could catch it there. He said, It'd be interesting to see how the audience would use boosts to signal what topics should be featured. Maybe like a voting mechanism mechanism some kind. Oh. He says, don't sweat the adpocalypse. You can trust fall into the audience. PS want to let you know that my preferred podcast app of choice on iOS has been Castro. It seems to support virtually everything you've enabled on two o with the exception of transcripts. The artwork changed, the chapters were correct, all of that. Not sure if that's the dev doing some good things, keep it up to date or what? Take care. Yeah. That's great. Some apps have different levels of the support. That's one of the things that makes this whole thing odd, West, is like Some apps will absolutely support the chapter images.
Speaker 0: Yep. Well, I appreciate your time, Alex. Thanks for, sitting down and working through this with me. Yep. Happy to happy to it.
Speaker 0: Now it's time for the booster boost to boost boost to gram corner. Booster to gram corner. I don't know a thing about crypto. And we do have a bunch of booths to get to. I mean, a whole batch because we our milestone
Speaker 0: once again.
Speaker 0: Somehow, somehow,
Speaker 0: I I mean, I have a couple of inklings, but somehow I messed up the value block. In, like, at least the pocket episodes. So
Speaker 0: my wallet hasn't been getting the boost, but thankfully, the node for JB has and So we collected some of these the old school ways. Like, is this possible we might have missed one or two, but I don't think so. I think we got them all. I guess you'll just have boost in a second time to let us know. Sorry. If we missed it, yeah, I apologize. It was my fault. You know, running with scissors. Interstellar Dave comes in with four hundred thousand cents. Hey, what should I stop?
Speaker 0: This is Chris and Brent. Here's the four hundred thousand more to keep the office hours train I'm digging the Jupiter signal idea too. That was my idea where we'd have a maybe a weekly show that's kind of a wrap up of the news that was covered in lep Coder and self hosted.
Speaker 0: Or office hours. It's sort of like a meta show. So if there was news that maybe happened in a show you don't normally listen to, you could catch it there. He said, It'd be interesting to see how the audience would use boosts to signal what topics should be featured.
Speaker 0: Maybe like a voting mechanism mechanism some kind. Oh. He says, don't sweat the adpocalypse. You can trust fall into the audience. PS want to let you know that my preferred podcast app of choice on iOS has been Castro. It seems to support virtually everything you've enabled on two o with the exception of transcripts. The artwork changed, the chapters were correct, all of that. Not sure if that's the dev doing some good things, keep it up to date or what? Take care. Yeah. That's great. Some apps have different levels of the support. That's one of the things that makes this whole thing odd, West, is like Some apps will absolutely support the chapter images.
Speaker 2: Others just won't touch it. Yeah. I mean, I noticed just here, Dave boosted in from the podcast index, not Castro. I wonder why.
Speaker 0: And distiller Dave is, traveling the index, I suppose.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That does make sense. Well, James Gordon boosted in with one hundred and eleven thousand cents. I hoard that which all kind covered. Would be great to hear what the costs are in making a podcast and how the boosts help towards that cost. Like when I send a hundred k sets, around twenty five pounds, how much help is that? Does it cover your costs? I doubt it, or does it just barely cover one person's wages or the cost of electricity or hosting fees. Some insight into your costs and how SaaS help without giving away too much, of course. Well, that would help. Yeah. Okay. So,
Speaker 2: Well, James Gordon boosted in with one hundred and eleven thousand cents. I hoard that which all kind covered.
Speaker 2: Would be great to hear what the costs are in making a podcast and how the boosts help towards that cost.
Speaker 2: Like when I send a hundred k sets, around twenty five pounds,
Speaker 2: how much help is that? Does it cover your costs? I doubt it, or does it just barely cover one person's wages or the cost of electricity or hosting fees.
Speaker 2: Some insight into your costs and how SaaS help without giving away too much, of course. Well, that would help. Yeah. Okay. So,
Speaker 0: that's kind of what the idea with, like, the the one point five, one point three ish million sat bounty. For office hours is is now office hours is a very low cost show. Yeah. I mean, Brent pays you to be on right now. I'm just kidding. Yeah. Well, and just because it's, like, it's the the network and the podcast industry are the content. Right? So we're, like, with luck or Linux action, who's herself hosted at Code Radio. There's a lot of original content generation that goes into that. I mean, like, even before we sat down to record, middle of the week, West and I were starting out, like, where we're at with Linux on plugins coming up on And so, you know, you work on that all week. It never stops. Yeah. It's funny because, like, when we stop recording and unplugged, it's usually, like, how long till one of us realizes we gotta do this all again. And then the tone in the room changes when that moment arrives. I wish it was longer. Yeah. We we don't we don't make it out of the studio before, like, oh, yeah. Oh, we gotta do that all over again. So those shows have a lot more prep. They have a lot more costs. They require more time for Drew. They require a lot more costs and bandwidth. So that kind of stuff, it it sort of scales per show. So office hours is kind of our lean mean value for value production. And so you can see it in the splits. If you look at the splits, that's the contract. It's all right there in the RSS feed, how much Drew gets paid, how much Brent gets paid, how much I get paid, and You know, like, in this case, like, we should somehow figure out how to I'll try you know what? I'm gonna try per episode override, so that way West gets the boost. For this episode. Right? And you can kinda see it all there. So that roughly gives you an idea of what it costs to produce our cheapest show. And then it just sort of scales with production there. And then we offset some of that too with, membership, super party membership, members as well. I did does that did I leave anything out west that seems obvious that I should mention?
Speaker 0: one point three ish million sat bounty.
Speaker 0: For office hours is is now office hours is a very low cost show. Yeah. I mean, Brent pays you to be on right now. I'm just kidding. Yeah. Well, and just because it's, like, it's the the network and the podcast industry are the content. Right? So we're, like, with luck or Linux action, who's herself hosted at Code Radio. There's a lot of original content generation that goes into that. I mean, like, even before we sat down to record,
Speaker 0: middle of the week, West and I were starting out, like, where we're at with Linux on plugins coming up on And so, you know, you work on that all week. It never stops. Yeah.
Speaker 0: It's funny because, like, when we stop recording and unplugged, it's usually, like, how long till one of us realizes we gotta do this all again.
Speaker 0: And then the tone in the room changes when that moment arrives. I wish it was longer.
Speaker 0: Yeah. We we don't we don't make it out of the studio before, like, oh, yeah. Oh, we gotta do that all over again. So those shows have a lot more prep. They have a lot more costs. They require more time for Drew. They require a lot more costs and bandwidth.
Speaker 0: So that kind of stuff, it it sort of scales per show. So office hours is kind of our lean mean value for value production.
Speaker 0: And so you can see it in the splits. If you look at the splits, that's the contract.
Speaker 0: It's all right there in the RSS feed, how much Drew gets paid, how much Brent gets paid, how much I get paid, and You know, like, in this case, like, we should somehow figure out how to I'll try you know what? I'm gonna try per episode override, so that way West gets the boost.
Speaker 0: For this episode. Right? And you can kinda see it all there. So that
Speaker 0: roughly gives you an idea of what it costs to produce our cheapest show. And then it just sort of scales with production there. And then we offset some of that too with, membership,
Speaker 0: super party membership, members as well.
Speaker 0: I did does that did I leave anything out west that seems obvious that I should mention?
Speaker 2: No. I think that about covers it. I mean, there's a lot of moving parts, but At this point, they've kind of all solidified.
Speaker 2: At this point, they've kind of all solidified.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Some of them are fixed. Like, every month, you know, the hosting cost is roughly the same, although that just went up on this and some of those things. Jolly Harbor comes in with one hundred thousand sets using the index. Chris, thanks for keeping the network alive. Not much, but I'm hoping it gets a sound byte for the other sets. What is the bounty for a sound bite? Well, you, sir, you got it. Make it so. That's right. Coming in the hot with the boots. Hundred thousand sets is a hot boost. Thank you, Jolly. Appreciate it.
Speaker 0: Not much, but I'm hoping it gets a sound byte for the other sets. What is the bounty for a sound bite? Well, you, sir, you got it. Make it so. That's right. Coming in the hot with the boots. Hundred thousand sets is a hot boost. Thank you, Jolly. Appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Speaking of, well, Rodid mood comes in with a hundred thousand sets.
Speaker 0: Coming in hot with the boots.
Speaker 2: I need to hear that final fantasy music again.
Speaker 0: Well, I think I have good news because we're getting real close. We're getting real close. You'll have to wait though to see if we made our milestone. Well, you already know we did. You already know it. Right? But just as a tease, I'll give you a little Zelda item. True grits comes in with. I feel like I'm time traveling. I listened to the first two pocket office episodes before listening to this one. I figured I'd send in a ZIP code boost to help get you to the next goal. Oh, no. Oh, okay, West. I got a really crappy version of the map here. Hey, what show is this? I know. And I didn't expect to work this hard. And I I tell you what, my zip code lookups are not as good as yours. Oh, okay. Well, this one we should both know because it looks like it's right in our backyard.
Speaker 0: We're getting real close.
Speaker 0: You'll have to wait though to see if we made our milestone. Well, you already know we did. You already know it. Right?
Speaker 0: But just as a tease, I'll give you a little Zelda item.
Speaker 0: True grits comes in with. I feel like I'm time traveling. I listened to the first two pocket office episodes before listening to this one. I figured I'd send in a ZIP code boost to help get you to the next goal. Oh, no. Oh, okay, West. I got a really crappy version of the map here. Hey, what show is this? I know. And I didn't expect to work this hard. And I I tell you what, my zip code lookups are not as good as yours. Oh, okay. Well, this one we should both know because it looks like it's right in our backyard.
Speaker 2: Relatively speaking, because this is a postal goat in Spokane, Washington. That's right. A low Spokane.
Speaker 0: True grits. You know, when we do finally get through that meetup, we're gonna have to get true grits of beer. Yes. Maybe several.
Speaker 0: You know, when we do finally get through that meetup, we're gonna have to get true grits of beer. Yes. Maybe several.
Speaker 2: Grounded grid boosts in with case that's. B o o s t. Just noting, those delicious new podcasting
Speaker 2: those delicious new podcasting
Speaker 0: two point zero features. Amen to that. Yeah. I've been really having fun with the pocket offices and the released episodes. Generating a ton of images and doing all that stuff. It's it's kinda hands on, but at the same time, it feels old school and I like it. Redact, it comes in with forty three thousand two hundred and ten sets using the pot first. I wanna suggest for Brent to combine his visa to Berlin with visiting another European city. European cities are pretty well connected by train, and I'd like to meet him without having to travel that far. My first few digits of the Boost are an international area code from my country. My postal code are the other three digits with the sum of the three added as the fourth digit. Following all of that was. We'll see. He goes on to say, this is not my real Nick, I'm just not comfortable connecting my location to my neck. Oh, sure. I understand redacted. Yeah. I mean, I think, you know, that's something everybody has to balance. We try not to, like, give out anything more than your general city, which probably most people could get by, like, your IP or something like that if they can get that. But let's see. Forty three thousand two hundred and ten sass.
Speaker 0: Generating a ton of images and doing all that stuff. It's it's kinda hands on, but at the same time, it feels old school and I like it. Redact, it comes in with forty three thousand two hundred and ten sets using the pot first. I wanna suggest for Brent to combine his visa to Berlin with visiting another European city. European cities are pretty well connected by train, and I'd like to meet him without having to travel that far. My first few digits of the Boost are an international area code from my country. My postal code are the other three digits with the sum of the three added as the fourth digit.
Speaker 0: Following all of that was.
Speaker 0: We'll see. He goes on to say, this is not my real Nick, I'm just not comfortable connecting my location to my neck. Oh, sure. I understand redacted. Yeah. I mean, I think, you know, that's something everybody has to balance. We try not to, like, give out anything more than your general city, which probably most people could get by, like, your IP or something like that if they can get that. But let's see. Forty three thousand two hundred and ten sass.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of math West. It looks like, forty three might be pointing us to Austria. That are good. Hello? Okay. And then maybe it's
Speaker 2: That are good. Hello? Okay. And then maybe it's
Speaker 0: It's been that globe. Oh, it's a big it's a big one. Real heavy. Don't spend jeez. Don't spin too fast. You'll spin it right off the We're careful.
Speaker 0: Oh, it's a big it's a big one. Real heavy. Don't spend jeez. Don't spin too fast. You'll spin it right off the We're careful.
Speaker 2: Well, we know this gets dangerous, but I'm taking a wild guess. I think that we're looking for a postal code in Longanzerdorf,
Speaker 0: Austria. How did I do? Two one zero three? Hello, Longzingendorf? Yeah. I I like it. I like the college try too. Appreciate that. Thank you for the boost. Eric d comes in with thirty four thousand thirty four sets. Use a cast o matic. Banger of an episode. Great song pick too. The value for value music concept is fantastic news. I had no idea it existed until listening to this episode. So thank you. I'll definitely be checking out more of that. Looking forward to episode thirty five. Well, Eric, I hope you loved the song in episode thirty five today. Because it's been one of my favorites. Oh, looks like Eric came in with a second boost to add on. Side note, cast o matic doesn't seem to change the boost recipients for the song chapter I guess I'll head over to Waive Lake and drop some stats there. I think that was my bad. And I had a chat with Stephen B from sovereign Feed And we figured out that it would might have been a bug in sovereign feeds because I had the value block defined at the show level, but not the individual episode level. And so some of the switching wasn't but as a workaround, I can define it at the episode level, and it should work for this episode. I I apologize. Learning my doing, and, it's only getting easier, I suppose.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I I like it. I like the college try too. Appreciate that. Thank you for the boost.
Speaker 0: Eric d comes in with thirty four thousand thirty four sets. Use a cast o matic. Banger of an episode. Great song pick too. The value for value music concept is fantastic news. I had no idea it existed until listening to this episode. So thank you. I'll definitely be checking out more of that. Looking forward to episode thirty five. Well, Eric, I hope you loved the song in episode thirty five today. Because it's been one of my favorites. Oh, looks like Eric came in with a second boost to add on. Side note, cast o matic doesn't seem to change the boost recipients for the song chapter I guess I'll head over to Waive Lake and drop some stats there. I think that was my bad.
Speaker 0: And I had a chat with Stephen B from sovereign Feed And we figured out that it would might have been a bug in sovereign feeds because I had the value block defined at the show level, but not the individual episode level. And so some of the switching wasn't but as a workaround, I can define it at the episode level, and it should work for this episode. I I apologize.
Speaker 0: Learning my doing, and, it's only getting easier, I suppose.
Speaker 2: That's so that's good. Yeah. That's right. I mean, we gotta figure it out one way or another, and hopefully this means we figured it out now, and, not later when we switch more feeds over to it. Yeah. Exactly.
Speaker 0: Go Smalt came in with fifty five thousand one hundred and fifty four stats from the index. First time booster writing to say my machismo gracias for changing the name so I can finally add it to my podcast. Yeah. You just gotta add the two dot o. Right? So stupid, but you add two point o. To the end of office hours, and it shows up at every stupid search. He said, who knew there were so many office hours podcasts out there. I know. Worst name I've ever made. I didn't even check. That's that's rule number one. He goes on to say I enjoyed listening to all the JB shows and I've been listening for three to four years now. So it's hard to choose just one to boost into. So many are on my list. And more to come. But I love the insights into JB that comes from here, and I'm eternally grateful for the kick to decouple myself from Google that came from self hosted as well as the nudge to finally set up a home media server. I'm currently using PopOS as my daily driver at work, but unfortunately, gonna be forced to switch back to Windows due to corporate policy in the near future. Pour one out for me guys. He says in PS, this is a zip code boost. And I looked this one up, and I think it might have been St. Paul, but I'm not sure if I got it right, West. St. Paul, checking your zip code math. And, yeah, spot on here, Chris. Thank you, mullet. Thank you for listening. Hello, Saint Paul. And, maybe let us know how that, Windows adventure goes. Do you end up adapting workflows to WSN? Do you set up a virtual machine? Good luck. That's a great question. How does it go? Todd from Northern Virginia comes in with twenty two thousand two hundred and twenty two sacks with no note. Just supporting via pod first.
Speaker 0: First time booster writing to say my machismo gracias for changing the name so I can finally add it to my podcast. Yeah. You just gotta add the two dot o. Right?
Speaker 0: So stupid, but you add two point o. To the end of office hours, and it shows up at every stupid search. He said, who knew there were so many office hours podcasts out there. I know. Worst name I've ever made. I didn't even check. That's that's rule number one. He goes on to say I enjoyed listening to all the JB shows and I've been listening for three to four years now. So it's hard to choose just one to boost into. So many are on my list.
Speaker 0: And more to come. But I love the insights into JB that comes from here, and I'm eternally grateful for the kick to decouple myself from Google that came from self hosted as well as the nudge to finally set up a home media server. I'm currently using PopOS as my daily driver at work, but unfortunately,
Speaker 0: gonna be forced to switch back to Windows due to corporate policy in the near future. Pour one out for me guys. He says in PS, this is a zip code boost. And I looked this one up, and I think it might have been St. Paul, but I'm not sure if I got it right, West.
Speaker 0: St. Paul, checking your zip code math. And, yeah, spot on here, Chris. Thank you, mullet. Thank you for listening. Hello, Saint Paul. And, maybe let us know how that, Windows adventure goes. Do you end up adapting workflows to WSN? Do you set up a virtual machine? Good luck. That's a great question. How does it go? Todd from Northern Virginia comes in with twenty two thousand two hundred and twenty two sacks with no note. Just supporting via pod first.
Speaker 2: Well, that's still nice. And, speaking of that granddaddy duck,
Speaker 0: well, I think it's Kira, but you like to say Cairo, if I believe. You mean k I r o f m? K I r o f m ninety seven three Tacoma Seattle. Your world.
Speaker 0: Your world.
Speaker 2: That wonderful booster came in with a row of granddaddy ducks saying Jupiter Station sounds like a great idea. I listen to all the JB shows anyway, but I can see myself using this to more easily share a quick clip with someone. Also, the extra bits from the live stream discussion sure would be nice to have.
Speaker 2: ducks saying Jupiter Station sounds like a great idea. I listen to all the JB shows anyway, but I can see myself using this to more easily share a quick clip with someone.
Speaker 2: Also, the extra bits from the live stream discussion sure would be nice to have.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Oh, you know, he meant this Jupiter signal. Yeah. So we have two. We have Jupiter Station, which is the lit live feed. And I think I might have changed it. And Jupiter Signal, which is would be like the cut up news bits from the show. Two names, similar idea, playing with both of them right now to see what the office hours crew things. Trying to get the vibe from the crew that would probably be most likely listen to it. I think it's kinda fifty fifty right now. We'll see. Krafnix came in with a row of Mcducks as well, just chopping right along there. Hey. Is that looking up? Put all Mcduck. He's using the fountain. He writes it's unfortunate that I can't get access to the Jupyter membership without the Fiat payments. As far as I know, there's no other way to get ad free uncut feeds for coder and self hosted and the self hosted post show. Maybe it's possible to do vouchers for Jupiter memberships. An example that works well for me is buying the Mulvad VPN vouchers via lightning through VPN dot sovereign dot engineering. Even though MulVad don't support lightning directly, I guess I'll have to keep asking once a year though.
Speaker 0: We'll see. Krafnix came in with a row of Mcducks as well, just chopping right along there. Hey. Is that looking up? Put all Mcduck. He's using the fountain. He writes it's unfortunate that I can't get access to the Jupyter membership without the Fiat payments. As far as I know,
Speaker 0: there's no other way to get ad free uncut feeds for coder and self hosted and the self hosted post show. Maybe it's possible to do vouchers for Jupiter memberships.
Speaker 0: An example that works well for me is buying the Mulvad VPN vouchers via lightning through VPN dot sovereign dot engineering.
Speaker 0: Even though MulVad don't support lightning directly, I guess I'll have to keep asking once a year though.
Speaker 2: Well, gosh, that's a compelling argument from mister Craft.
Speaker 0: Yeah. You know, I I'm still mowing around ways to do it. It's replace memorable or maybe it's somehow integrating podcast mirror and replacing, like, some of the workarounds we were coming up with. So it's sort of Yeah. You know, like, if we supplied podcast mirror as the source feed, too memorable? Then memberful could generate user individual feeds and within theory, possibly, although we don't know, just pass along the other name tag, the other name spaces. All the new fancy features. Right? Yeah. That might work. Well, we'll be playing around with it and report back craft next. Hopefully, you won't have to wait a year.
Speaker 0: So it's sort of
Speaker 0: Yeah. You know, like, if we supplied podcast mirror as the source feed,
Speaker 0: too memorable?
Speaker 0: Then memberful could generate user individual feeds and within theory, possibly, although we don't know,
Speaker 0: just pass along
Speaker 0: the other name tag, the other name spaces. All the new fancy features. Right? Yeah.
Speaker 0: That might work. Well, we'll be playing around with it and report back craft next. Hopefully, you won't have to wait a year.
Speaker 2: User six six zero three five two dot dot dot dot sent in twenty two thousand two hundred and twenty two saying. Quocker Walker. It's a treasure. Efe.
Speaker 0: Quack, quack. Hey, bounty for the win. Indeed, we really are grateful. Lafara came in with twenty two thousand two hundred and twenty two Sats, another group of Mick Ducks. This old ducks still got it. And he says, thanks for your explanation, Docker, exposing ports, wants to update firewalls directly on its own, and TailScale probably also wants to directly do changes. Once had a similar conflict issue during the starter border. He's talking about my umbrella box where I had restarted some docker services, I believe, but I hadn't restarted tail scale or Perhaps like tailskale come up, and then Docker came up. And so the Docker containers weren't on the tail net. I don't remember the specifics anymore, but it was an issue when I couldn't get to my Emerald mode remotely. Really sucked. Thanks. Yeah. Something tells me they're both trying to do some IP tables updates, and, maybe that didn't play nicely. I'll handle it. No. I'll handle
Speaker 0: Docker, exposing ports, wants to update firewalls directly on its own, and TailScale probably also wants to directly do changes. Once had a similar conflict issue during the starter border. He's talking about my umbrella box where I had restarted some docker services, I believe, but I hadn't restarted tail scale or
Speaker 0: Perhaps like tailskale come up, and then Docker came up. And so the Docker containers weren't on the tail net. I don't remember the specifics anymore, but it was an issue when I couldn't get to my Emerald mode remotely. Really sucked. Thanks. Yeah. Something tells me they're both trying to do some IP tables updates, and, maybe that didn't play nicely. I'll handle it. No. I'll handle
Speaker 2: Exactly. Mexcept boosts in with twenty thousand cents. Love the idea you put forward for Jupiter signal. I know sometimes I get backed up a couple weeks when it comes to podcasts and your idea for signal Well, then help me prioritize catching up.
Speaker 2: Mexcept boosts in with twenty thousand cents.
Speaker 2: Love the idea you put forward for Jupiter signal.
Speaker 2: I know sometimes I get backed up a couple weeks when it comes to podcasts and your idea for signal Well, then help me prioritize catching up.
Speaker 0: Haven't even thought about that. That's an interesting insight Maxip. Thank you, and thank you for the boost. Iraq comes in with four thousand four hundred and forty four cents. Hello from one node runner to another. Glad to see traction on that project. I just recently jumped back in. I'm thinking he's talking about IPFS. After I got rid of an old node VM. Now I'm running under Docker with a better help from Cameron at the podcast index social. And, regarding the Docker composed stuff, I believe someone is working on But running under Docker now is not one hundred percent. I had to modify a little bit of Umbro's Docker image to make it work. Oh, good to know. Yeah. Okay. But you know, if we could deploy a few Nick systems with IPFS podcasting in a Docker container, that is check box number one. Checkbox number two for me is I'd love to build a spin up some gateways because we need more gateways than just the couple we have. And then the last checkbox number three would be if we could host our own redirect. Right? There's an IPFS podcasting redirect right now. That's how you send an HTTP request out to the IPFS network, and I would love if we could run that on our own infrastructure.
Speaker 0: That's an interesting insight Maxip. Thank you, and thank you for the boost.
Speaker 0: Iraq comes in with four thousand four hundred and forty four cents. Hello from one node runner to another. Glad to see traction on that project. I just recently jumped back in. I'm thinking he's talking about IPFS.
Speaker 0: After I got rid of an old node VM. Now I'm running under Docker with a better help from Cameron at the podcast index social.
Speaker 0: And, regarding the Docker composed stuff, I believe someone is working on But running under Docker now is not one hundred percent.
Speaker 0: I had to modify a little bit of Umbro's Docker image to make it work. Oh, good to know.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Okay. But
Speaker 0: you know, if we could deploy a few Nick systems
Speaker 0: with IPFS podcasting in a Docker container, that is check box number one. Checkbox number two for me is I'd love to build a spin up some gateways because we need more gateways than just the couple we have. And then the last checkbox number three would be if we could host
Speaker 0: our own redirect.
Speaker 0: Right? There's an IPFS podcasting redirect right now.
Speaker 0: That's how you send an HTTP request out to the IPFS network, and I would love if we could run that on our own infrastructure.
Speaker 2: Me too. Mofanta boosts in with ten k sets. Just noting Congratulations
Speaker 2: Mofanta boosts in with ten k sets. Just noting Congratulations
Speaker 0: on the great milestone. Thank you for your help getting there. Jeanbean came in a whole bunch this week with, like, a total of, I think, over seventeen thousand seven hundred and seventy Sats. He said he was actually surprised by the audio when I did the cornfield episode. And he was helping me earlier troubleshoot the value for value time split. And he connected with me on Matrix, and we did some real time troubleshooting. So I just wanna give him a special shout out for that too. And he says he likes the idea of the Jupiter signal show. And he says also once we do get transcripts up and going, he publishes his on his website for his episode. And then that opens it up to being searched by Googues. He says it works really good. Opppy nineteen eighty four comes in with four thousand Sats from fountain.
Speaker 0: And he was helping me earlier troubleshoot the value for value time split. And he connected with me on Matrix, and we did some real time troubleshooting. So I just wanna give him a special shout out for that too. And he says he likes the idea
Speaker 0: of the Jupiter signal show.
Speaker 0: And he says also once we do get transcripts up and going, he publishes his on his website for his episode. And then that opens it up to being searched by Googues. He says it works really good. Opppy nineteen eighty four comes in with four thousand Sats from fountain.
Speaker 2: I really like the idea of a wrap up clip show. I really only have time to listen to shows while I'm at work. And as my responsibilities change, I find I'm having to spend more time on calls and in meetings and less time listening to podcasts. I'm sure that's something many in the audience can sympathize with. So having a wrap up show that would allow me to get caught up after a busy week that prevents me from listening to all my shows would be definitely welcomed.
Speaker 2: So having a wrap up show that would allow me to get caught up after a busy week that prevents me from listening to all my shows would be definitely welcomed.
Speaker 0: Thank you, Oppy. That is I think we're trending now on the positive feedback for the Jupiter signal idea. And we wanna keep Oppy listening. He's a great booster. So that sounds like it might be worth it. Andre two k came in with four thousand nine hundred and ninety nine SaaS using fountain. It says good song. I'm using fountain, so I don't know if the SaaS will reach the art I know they're working on it, Andre, if it doesn't right now. And I think it does. In fact, something fountain FM has done. With value for value music is so clever. If you're listening to a podcast that features the magic wallet switching technology, There is now a hamburger menu option that will list out all of the individual songs featured in the podcast you're listening to, like this week's. And you can add it directly to your own local library from that menu, if you like the song. So cool.
Speaker 0: for the Jupiter signal idea. And we wanna keep Oppy listening. He's a great booster. So that sounds like it might be worth it. Andre two k came in with four thousand nine hundred and ninety nine SaaS using fountain. It says good song. I'm using fountain, so I don't know if the SaaS will reach the art I know they're working on it, Andre, if it doesn't right now. And I think it does. In fact,
Speaker 0: something fountain FM has done. With value for value music is so clever. If you're listening to a podcast that features the magic wallet switching technology,
Speaker 0: There is now a hamburger menu option that will list out all of the individual songs featured in the podcast you're listening to, like this week's.
Speaker 0: And you can add it directly to your own local library from that menu, if you like the song. So cool.
Speaker 2: Sir, Alex Gates, comes in with ten thousand Satoshi. I think the let's put everything over lightning people just went to noaster. They can stay there as long as they don't try to evangelize too much. It's a good lesson about evangelization. We need to avoid doing the same in music for podcasting two point o. The artist will come. In hindsight, I guess I can't blame the average person for not knowing how things fit together.
Speaker 2: I think the let's put everything over lightning people just went to noaster.
Speaker 2: They can stay there as long as they don't try to evangelize too much. It's a good lesson about evangelization.
Speaker 2: We need to avoid doing the same in music for podcasting two point o. The artist will come.
Speaker 2: In hindsight, I guess I can't blame the average person for not knowing how things fit together.
Speaker 0: I just write the specs. For now. Just write the specs. Alex is not only a guest, but a booster and a supporter of the show. Thank you, Alex, the podcasting consultant. Yeah. I I feel like the the thing that happens is new thing has come along. Noster. It's done with relays. How can we replumb everything to use this? And, sometimes it's worth challenging assumptions. I'm thinking about that stuff, but often, I think Alex are right. It's just a lot of hype. And we kinda come around in the long term. Iraq comes up with five thousand stats. It does look like the value times what's failed for me on PODverse. Those worked on other shows. So I'm not sure if it was my problem or not. Nope. It was me. And, thanks to Stephen B. We got it figured out. Forward humor boosts in a row of ducks.
Speaker 0: Alex, the podcasting consultant.
Speaker 0: Yeah. I I feel like the the thing that happens is new thing has come along. Noster. It's done with relays. How can we replumb everything to use this? And,
Speaker 0: sometimes it's worth challenging assumptions. I'm thinking about that stuff, but often, I think Alex are right. It's just a lot of hype. And we kinda come around in the long term. Iraq comes up with five thousand stats. It does look like the value times what's failed for me on PODverse.
Speaker 0: Those worked on other shows. So I'm not sure if it was my problem or not. Nope. It was me.
Speaker 0: And, thanks to Stephen B. We got it figured out. Forward humor boosts in a row of ducks.
Speaker 2: Well, despite the issues, forward humor notes that they're digging the handcrafted production. And the music insert was a very nice addition. I cranked the streaming sets up during that segment knowing it would be going towards another artist who deserves some love too. I appreciate y'all. Keep it up. Thank you. Thank you. And,
Speaker 2: forward humor notes that they're digging the handcrafted production.
Speaker 2: And the music insert was a very nice addition.
Speaker 2: I cranked the streaming sets up during that segment knowing it would be going towards another artist who deserves some love too. I appreciate y'all. Keep it up. Thank you. Thank you. And,
Speaker 0: this week, it should all work flawlessly and the previous episode should be fixed by the time this episode comes out as well. So, god, it all tied it up. And I really, really appreciate you guys jumping in. I sent the artist this week a note ahead of time. I sent him a boost saying, hey, I'm gonna feature an office hours and my audience is gonna be boosting in. I think this is a great song. It's a lot of you know, now I'm talking to one of the artists. So cool. I went from never been able to play music to now I'm talking to it was just crazy. Right? It's just crazy. Faraday Fodora comes in with two thousand sets. I had no actual technical problem boosting with Alby and the podcast index index. I just never listened to computer. So it's a bit of friction when I want to send a boost. And honestly, I forget to boost after a drive or an hour of yard work. Yeah. That's why it's so nice having it in the app. Fairiday. But if you don't wanna switch your damn app, you can use the podcast index and get Abby. But I have to say for me, The big step change was having the button right there in the app. I've been doing podcasting for eighteen years. I've listened to podcasts that entire time. Always have been a big podcast enthusiast. It's probably the number one type of content I consume. And as a creator of podcasts that loves getting feedback that makes feedback a huge part of every show that we do. I've never sent feedback to a podcast until Boost. Until the button was right there in the app. Just never done it. Even as a creator of podcasts, just never, never ever, once written feedback to a podcast until that button was right there in the app. And I could just push it while I was listening. I r win boosted with nine thousand six hundred and thirty sat.
Speaker 0: and the previous episode should be fixed by the time this episode comes out as well. So, god, it all tied it up. And I really, really appreciate you guys jumping in. I
Speaker 0: sent the artist this week a note ahead of time. I sent him a boost saying, hey, I'm gonna feature an office hours and my audience is gonna be boosting in. I think this is a great song. It's a lot of you know, now I'm talking to one of the artists. So cool. I went from never been able to play music to now I'm talking to it was just crazy. Right? It's just crazy.
Speaker 0: Faraday Fodora comes in with two thousand sets.
Speaker 0: I had no actual technical problem boosting with Alby and the podcast index index. I just never listened to computer. So it's a bit of friction when I want to send a boost. And honestly, I forget to boost after a drive or an hour of yard work. Yeah. That's why it's so nice having it in the app. Fairiday.
Speaker 0: But if you don't wanna switch your damn app, you can use the podcast index and get Abby.
Speaker 0: But
Speaker 0: I have to say for me,
Speaker 0: The big step change was having the button right there in the app. I've been doing podcasting for eighteen years. I've listened to podcasts that entire time. Always have been a big podcast enthusiast. It's probably the number one type of content I consume.
Speaker 0: And
Speaker 0: as a creator of podcasts that loves getting feedback that makes feedback a huge part of every show that we do. I've never sent feedback to a podcast until Boost. Until the button was right there in the app. Just never done it. Even as a creator of podcasts,
Speaker 0: just never, never ever,
Speaker 0: once written feedback to a podcast until that button was right there in the app. And I could just push it while I was listening. I r win boosted with nine thousand six hundred and thirty sat.
Speaker 2: Great to see the changes in the feed. I love your idea for Jupyter signal
Speaker 0: I've bounced off of Kota Radio twice, but both news stories you mentioned I hadn't heard and was interested in. So at least one person would subscribe. Gotta give the coder radio the three the three soap try. You know, you gotta you gotta listen to three episodes. That's how it works with coder. One or two episodes. Yeah. You just bounce right off. And I mean, if the episode you listened to didn't have like a jar jar in it, then you probably didn't even listen to the rancho. Yeah. You gotta get the full flavor. Right? You gotta get the full flavor. Alex comes in with ten thousand Sats. I'm in the UK and I get my SaaS through the Albi website using Moonpay. It's charged in USD, but the conversion to GBP is handled by your bank. So you get a good exchange rate. I tried Cash App, but it isn't working in the UK. On another note, it's a nice idea for a community project. It'd be some great kind of boost tracker on the website to see how far we are from the bound much love from Wales. I would love a website boost tracker. We may maybe we'll be building the back end tooling to enable something like that one day because There's a few things we should probably set up for a website like that to get created.
Speaker 0: It's charged in USD, but the conversion to GBP is handled by your bank. So you get a good exchange rate. I tried Cash App, but it isn't working in the UK. On another note, it's a nice idea for a community project. It'd be some great kind of boost tracker on the website to see how far we are from the bound much love from Wales. I would love a website boost tracker. We may maybe we'll be building the back end tooling to enable something like that one day because There's a few things we should probably set up for a website like that to get created.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Definitely. We need a few plumbing bits, but I think it's been something we we've noodled on in the back end too because I mean, we just gotta share them on the show. We wanna share them anyway. Well, why not give something a little more real time? Alex, so I just wanna say I have heard from several that are outside the states that Moonpay seems to be a way a lot of them are going.
Speaker 0: If you wanna do it privately, you could always look at something like robo sats. They take a bit of fee for the convenience of the privacy and KyC Bitcoin freeness, but then you can lightning and send that to LV as well.
Speaker 2: Bear four five four booths in with five thousand cents. Are you all tracking new memberships to Jupiter Party and adjusting boost expectations
Speaker 2: Are you all tracking new memberships to Jupiter Party and adjusting boost expectations
Speaker 0: based on that? That's a great question. So the price has gone down since we announced the bounty. Think the Bitcoin price a little bit, but we have collected some new members. And so to me, it's kind of a wash. So we've we've picked up a few Jupiter party members, a handful of Jupiter party members to support office hours. The price has slid a little bit, so we're just kind of out of wash, and I haven't had to make any adjustments. It's actually worked out really nice. Personally, my expectation could totally be wrong, could totally be wrong, but I kind of expect the price to continue to slide. Probably until spring. But I could be wrong. Could be could be maybe just a few months. But definitely the rest of the year, I expect it to kind of go sideways. Fluctuate up and down within a few thousand dollars and then kind of do big step downwards. It's kind of depends on how the rest of the economy goes. But Bitcoin is the front runner. It's the canary in the coal Right? The Bitcoin bird is the free market that runs twenty four seven. And when people need quick liquidity because of market changes, it's Bitcoin they hit first and then the kind of the rest of the market follows. So we'll see where things go. And if it drops quite a bit, I'll probably adjust the milestone at that point. Or if it goes up, I'll adjust the milestone down ways. Bug eyed stormtrooper is back with two thousand three hundred and twenty one Sats from Fountain. Here I come shooting Sats with the accuracy of a seasoned stormtrooper. It was supposed to be a row of ducks, but it didn't quite hit. Excellent work on the podcast. How about calling the SATS to the next episode the Boundy board. As in now, Brent, let us take a look at the Boundy board and look at that. And then you cue dramatic music. We made it. Yeah. You're right. We should up the production. If we make our next bounty, I'll have to I'll have to do that. Mir mortal spot gas boosts in with eight thousand and eight cents.
Speaker 0: Think the Bitcoin price a little bit, but we have collected some new members.
Speaker 0: And so to me, it's kind of a wash. So we've we've picked up a few Jupiter party members, a handful of Jupiter party members to support office hours. The price has slid a little bit, so we're just kind of out of wash, and I haven't had to make any adjustments. It's actually worked out really nice.
Speaker 0: Personally, my expectation could totally be wrong, could totally be wrong, but I kind of expect the price to continue to slide.
Speaker 0: Probably until spring.
Speaker 0: But I could be wrong. Could be could be maybe just a few months. But definitely the rest of the year, I expect it to kind of go sideways.
Speaker 0: Fluctuate up and down within a few thousand dollars and then kind of do big step downwards.
Speaker 0: It's kind of depends on how the rest of the economy goes. But Bitcoin is the front runner. It's the canary in the coal Right? The Bitcoin bird is the free market that runs twenty four seven. And when people need quick liquidity because of market changes, it's Bitcoin they hit first and then the kind of the rest of the market follows. So we'll see where things go. And if it drops quite a bit, I'll probably adjust the milestone at that point. Or if it goes up, I'll adjust the milestone down ways.
Speaker 0: Bug eyed stormtrooper is back with two thousand three hundred and twenty one Sats from Fountain.
Speaker 0: Here I come shooting Sats with the accuracy of a seasoned stormtrooper.
Speaker 0: It was supposed to be a row of ducks, but it didn't quite hit.
Speaker 0: Excellent work on the podcast. How about calling the SATS to the next episode the Boundy board. As in now, Brent, let us take a look at the Boundy board and look at that. And then you cue dramatic music. We made it. Yeah. You're right. We should up the production. If we make our next bounty, I'll have to I'll have to do that. Mir mortal spot gas boosts in with eight thousand and eight cents.
Speaker 2: I think the Jupiter signal show would be up my alley. I'm embarking on a new quest to really improve my language learning. So I have to make some cuts in my podcast consumption. Well, unless you convert some of your shows into German or Portuguese. So a quick highlights package would be great for keeping up with everything important.
Speaker 2: Well, unless you convert some of your shows into German or Portuguese.
Speaker 2: So a quick highlights package would be great for keeping up with everything important.
Speaker 0: Oh, man, we're losing we're losing folks left and right. You hear this?
Speaker 2: But but we're still getting the sentiment that they, you know, they wanna find a way to keep us in there. We need podcast ross which I get and appreciate. I'm just gonna have a mild anxiety attack about it, but it is nice. CraftNix comes in with a row of ducks.
Speaker 0: Really up r e l a I dot app is a no fuss option for stacking stats and Sats in the EU. It has a Swiss based company behind it, which is non custodial and purchases are made via SIPA bank transfers. It is a KyC solution. However, the KyC merely enforced via bank transfers. You don't have to send your ID or other identification to them. Simply download the app, put in your I band, and you'll be sending them and ready to go. They only do on chain transactions right now, but they say lighting support should be ready at the end of the year. Wow. Yeah. If you're cool with KyC, that seems pretty darn convenient. Yeah. And Albie just expanded. If you wanna use Albie with this, they just expanded their in and out options for on chain. You can now bring in and out of Alby. You can take out of Alby on chain now too. Small fee there, but it makes it a lot easier because you don't even have to you don't have to first get the stats on Light You can just on chain transfer them to Alby, and then Alby will put them on the lightning network for you. Marchy boots in with nine thousand and one sets.
Speaker 0: It has a Swiss based company behind it, which is non custodial and purchases are made via SIPA bank transfers.
Speaker 0: It is a KyC solution. However, the KyC merely enforced via bank transfers. You don't have to send your ID or other
Speaker 0: identification
Speaker 0: to them. Simply download the app, put in your I band, and you'll be sending them and ready to go. They only do on chain transactions right now, but they say lighting support should be ready at the end of the year. Wow. Yeah. If you're cool with KyC, that seems pretty darn convenient. Yeah. And Albie just expanded.
Speaker 0: If you wanna use Albie with this, they just expanded their in and out options for on chain. You can now bring in and out
Speaker 0: of Alby. You can take out of Alby on chain now too.
Speaker 0: Small fee there, but it makes it a lot easier because you don't even have to you don't have to first get the stats on Light You can just on chain transfer them to Alby, and then Alby will put them on the lightning network for you. Marchy boots in with nine thousand and one sets.
Speaker 2: Congratulations on the bounty show. Not sure about Jupiter's signal personally could feel a bit redundant. Although that's probably just because I listen to all the shows anyway, so maybe I'm not the target market. Oh, phew. Thanks, Marcy. I'm starting to I'm starting to have a panic attack.
Speaker 2: Not sure about Jupiter's signal personally
Speaker 2: could feel a bit redundant.
Speaker 2: Although that's probably just because I listen to all the shows anyway, so maybe I'm not the target market. Oh, phew. Thanks, Marcy. I'm starting to I'm starting to have a panic attack.
Speaker 0: I was trying to really worry nobody's listening. Yeah. Yeah. March, I'm glad. He says, also, he wasn't sure if we had adjusted the splits for the song. The cover art and the chapter all worked though. Yeah, that was my bad, Marci. Castamatic. I think I think does support it. I side note ended up using Castematic quite a bit of my testing of the new pocket office feeds. Yeah. It's a good app. That might be my favorite iOS podcasting app, two point o stuff aside. It's really good. I think Pod fans is gonna be the real competitor.
Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. March, I'm glad.
Speaker 0: He says, also, he wasn't sure if we had adjusted the splits for the song. The cover art and the chapter all worked though. Yeah, that was my bad, Marci.
Speaker 0: Castamatic.
Speaker 0: I think
Speaker 0: I think does support it. I side note ended up using Castematic quite a bit of my testing of the new pocket office feeds. Yeah. It's a good app.
Speaker 0: That might be my favorite iOS podcasting app, two point o stuff aside.
Speaker 0: It's really good.
Speaker 0: I think Pod fans is gonna be the real competitor.
Speaker 2: If that's funny, Monte one zero two came in with two thousand SaaS just to note, here's to the next episode, and, leaving fountain for cast o matic.
Speaker 0: There you go. There you go. Yeah. True grits also came with five thousand sat saying that he'd forgotten he'd listen until we mentioned his username. Here's some stats for the next one. And Bob B says, Hey, did I get this right? Is this how I get stats in for the next bounty with six thousand stats? You did, Bob. You got it right. Dave Jones came in with ten thousand stats to say Jupiter station is an amazing name. Thank you, Pod Sage. Thank you. Yeah. So Jupiter station is the twenty four seven lit feed. In your podcasting two dot o app, you can go search for Jupiter station. The feed's always live with the bat catalog. And then when we are live, we just kinda cut in. There's no metadata update right now because it's an MVP, but it's out there and we're seeking testing for the Jupiter station feed. Speaking of McZIP came in with another five k cents to say the same. Excited about Jupiter Station. Well, thank you. And that's gonna be all the boost to make it on the air this week. We did have forty five unique boosters across sixty six booths. Now I may have missed you as well. So I really apologize if I screwed that up, but I believe that brought us in a one point three million seven hundred fifty seven thousand and fifty nine total sats, which I'm saying is a big win right there. The sonic ding is out. And thank you everybody. Keep the change filthy the animal. When at. It really whips the llamas ass. I really hope we can reach our bounty for episode thirty six I got an old friend I wanna bring on. We have a lot of things to still catch you up on, and of course, depending on when we record and when we release, it's either gonna be for Linux Fester will have some just after Linux Fest goodies in there as well. Don't forget. Things have changed for Linux Fest. It's a series of meetups now. The conference has been postponed. Details are at meetup dot com slash Linux Fast Northwest, including that's where you'll find the Jupiter Broadcasting meetup on Saturday. At four PM. That's meetup dot com slash Linuxfest Northwest. Again, thank you everybody for supporting the production. You know, the brilliant thing about an office hours production is before we even go on air, all our costs are paid. And when we're in the middle of an adpocalypse to know that that whole production is just already paid for and we're not taking it on as a cost center, is an unbelievable relief to a business. And because we've embraced this model, we also get access to things like music. Been doing this for eighteen years, and I've never been able to play music in my shows. And now, as part of this system, we get to play music and feature songs that I think are great. And instead of having to stop for an ad break, we stop for a music break now. And I just think that's wonderful. And it's it's a whole new style of creative expression we get to do with So thank you everybody who boosts in, supports the shows, supports supports the artists, or becomes a member. This truly is a value for value production, and, we keep going as long as you keep supporting. We'll have links to our entry on the podcast index and the show notes. All of that is gonna be at office dot hare slash thirty five as well as links to the Linux Fest meetup page and some of the other things we talked about, like, the, Google Podcast App changes, and Alex's proposal for changing the radio medium on podcasting two dot gov. All of that more is in the notes. Mr. Payne, thanks for hanging out in the office with me. Oh, thanks for having me. Now, Brent did say he'd bring me a moose steak as a thank you. Right? Yeah. Although he's been waiting out there for so long, you might be cold. You don't mind cold moose tea? I sure don't. Alright. That's it for us. Office's hours over. So you gotta get out of his. Get back to whatever you're doing. Okay? But thanks for hanging out.
Speaker 0: The feed's always live with the bat catalog. And then when we are live, we just kinda cut in. There's no metadata update right now because it's an MVP, but it's out there and we're seeking testing for the Jupiter station feed. Speaking of McZIP came in with another five k cents to say the same. Excited about Jupiter Station.
Speaker 0: Well, thank you. And that's gonna be all the boost to make it on the air this week. We did have forty five unique boosters across sixty six booths. Now I may have missed you as well. So I really apologize if I screwed that up, but I believe that brought us in a one point three million seven hundred fifty seven thousand and fifty nine total
Speaker 0: sats, which I'm saying is a big win right there. The sonic ding is out.
Speaker 0: And thank you everybody.
Speaker 0: Keep the change
Speaker 0: filthy the animal.
Speaker 0: When at.
Speaker 0: It really whips the llamas ass. I really hope we can reach our bounty for episode thirty
Speaker 0: six
Speaker 0: I got an old friend I wanna bring on. We have a lot of things to still catch you up on, and of course, depending on when we record and when we release, it's either gonna be for Linux Fester will have some just after Linux Fest goodies in there as well. Don't forget.
Speaker 0: Things have changed for Linux Fest. It's a series of meetups now. The conference has been postponed.
Speaker 0: Details are at meetup dot com slash Linux Fast Northwest, including that's where you'll find the Jupiter Broadcasting meetup on Saturday.
Speaker 0: At four PM. That's meetup dot com slash Linuxfest Northwest.
Speaker 0: Again, thank you everybody for supporting the production. You know, the brilliant thing about an office hours production is before we even go on air, all our costs are paid. And when we're in the middle of an adpocalypse to know that that whole production is just already paid for and we're not taking it on as a cost center,
Speaker 0: is an unbelievable relief to a business.
Speaker 0: And because we've embraced this model, we also get access to things like
Speaker 0: music.
Speaker 0: Been doing this for eighteen years, and I've never been able to play music in my shows.
Speaker 0: And now, as part of this system, we get to play music and feature songs that I think are great. And instead of having to stop for an ad break,
Speaker 0: we stop for a music break now. And I just think that's wonderful. And it's it's a whole new style of creative expression we get to do with So thank you everybody who boosts in, supports the shows, supports supports the artists, or becomes a member. This truly is a value for value production, and, we keep going as long as you keep supporting.
Speaker 0: We'll have links to our entry on the podcast index and the show notes. All of that is gonna be at office dot hare slash thirty five
Speaker 0: as well as links to the Linux Fest meetup page and some of the other things we talked about, like,
Speaker 0: the, Google Podcast App changes, and Alex's proposal for changing the radio medium on podcasting two dot gov. All of that more is in the notes. Mr. Payne, thanks for hanging out in the office with me. Oh, thanks for having me. Now, Brent did say he'd bring me a moose steak as a thank you. Right? Yeah. Although he's been waiting out there for so long, you might be cold.
Speaker 0: You don't mind cold moose tea? I sure don't.
Speaker 0: Alright. That's it for us. Office's hours over. So you gotta get out of his. Get back to whatever you're doing.
Speaker 0: Okay?
Speaker 0: But thanks for hanging out.